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Student convicted of using a webcam to secretly film his room-mate in a gay encounter imprisoned
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I wouldn't see this as a silly prank, it's disgusting. In fact given the problems gay people have in being accepted in society then I'd happily see this as a hate crime.
I don't want to share a planet with scum like this and all he got was 30 days?
Unbelievable
Would you apply the same harsh reasoning to children in the playground?
It's exactly the same thing... he was 20... most people still think of themselves as kids in to old age... it was a silly prank - how on earth does that deserve jail time?
I'll use the brothers comparison again...
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A legal bad deed can not be convicted. You need to campaign for change of law if you feel something sould be illegal..
As for the privates thing, you must be a troll or ......
A silly prank that turns into manslaughter should not get sentenced? A prank does not obsolete you of responsibility and it's utterly stupid to think it should.
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I think that the intent should be evaluated.
Is it okay to goto a childs playground with the sole intent to take 'upskirt' shots of little girls?
Or is it okay because one is in a public place?
... a decent human being?
Yeah. EXACTLY.
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Raikiri posted the descriptions of what these "infractions" were... please read them, they're a complete and utter joke like "editting a tweet".
They threw everything they could at him to try and make something stick because the other guy killed himself... it really is that simple. If the mentally unstable guy was still alive, it would never have come to this. His instability is not the responsibility of anyone else.
Children are not legally responsible until, 16 is it?
He is an adult, although in this case he seems to have been treated with the same kid gloves that the British police reserve for Muslims.
Put yourself in the other guys shoes, a bully has a gay tape of you - that's one hell of a thing to hold over someone. This isn't some Tulsia thing gone wrong, it's a hate crime.
We appear to be polar opposites on this so maybe better to agree to disagree.
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Well, should one not take responsibility for poking the sad person with a stick? Surely one would know the possible reactions?
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It was actually 4... but please read what they actually are before making them sound worse than they really are:
COUNT 2: Bias intimidation on Sept. 19, 2010, for setting up the camera to watch Clementi with another man, a move that made Clementi feel intimidated. (3rd degree)
COUNT 4: Bias intimidation, for knowing his conduct could intimidate Clementi and make Clementi feel he was targeted because he was gay. (2nd degree)
COUNT 6: Bias intimidation for attempting to invade privacy with purpose to intimidate Clementi because of his sexual orientation. (3rd degree)
COUNT 8: Bias intimidation. For tweeting an invitation for people to watch Clementi's Sept. 21, 2010 visit with M.B., thereby causing Clementi to feel intimidated. (2nd degree)
Four seperate charges for that... it's completely ridiculous.
They abused process by throwing every possible charge they could at the guy in the hope that just 1 of them would stick. What he was charged with is clearly an abuse of the legal system...
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But from what I read, he didn't "hold it over him"... he just thought it was funny and shared it with a few people. The guy involved didn't find out til after the fact...
While, no, that doesn't make it much better... it goes to show how relatively innocent the prank was.
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In an ideal world, yes... but it isn't an ideal world.
Plus, you can never tell how someone is going to react to anything. I have a mal-formed empathy gland (
) and relatively frequently "stick my foot in my mouth", hurting someones feelings along the way.It's almost always just an attempt to be matter-of-fact, simply logic with no ******** getting in the way of the facts... too many people take offense to this kind of interaction... it's not like I'm shouting "GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME!" at the top of my lungs in an open office...
Acts like this are commonplace, whether in public or private... while I've mentioned many times in this thread that I hate how the popular trends are leaning toward this behaviour... it can certainly be expected. That doesn't mean that it should be, but at this rate... things are only going to get worse. Prepare for it and it won't come as a shock... killing yourself for someone exposing your sexual orientation is retarded... but then I also appreciate his right to take his own life - everyone has that right... I've almost used that right, seeing how pointless this entire existence is... we're here to reproduce and turn in to dust, nothing more. Anyway, I digress too much about myself.
I wouldn't even call what the guy did bullying... it was just sillyness. People who break limbs for fun get away scott-free... yet someone who makes a silly video of two guys kissing gets sent to jail with a large fine for a student...
If there was shown to be deliberate mal-intent to "cause" him to commit suicide... then hell yeah... but that's not how this story reads. But of course the courts would have got there before me, especially with the long list of "offenses".
His sentence is an abusive joke.
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Indeed.
Well the facts are he broke the law and got sentenced for it, despite it seemingly hurting your feelings
I have to say if someone did that to me, I'd pull their arms from their sockets.
Like I said, we are polar opposites on this, it's a hate crime, not a prank.
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Well the facts are he broke the law and got sentenced for it, despite it seemingly hurting your feelings
No... the facts are... the police/prosecutor threw everything they could possibly think of at him, no matter how pathetic, in the hope they could make something stick as someone let their feelings about the numpty killing himself get in the way of the facts
No death = small civil settlement
Death = emotions running rampant & over-sentencing
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Exactly... you wouldn't go and kill yourself over something so pathetic
... you'd bitch-slap them!
No... the facts are... the police/prosecutor threw everything they could possibly think of at him, no matter how pathetic, in the hope they could make something stick as someone let their feelings about the numpty killing himself get in the way of the facts
No death = small civil settlement
Death = emotions running rampant & over-sentencing
The facts are there, there is reason enough to believe he caused him to commit suicide.
Frankly if the lawyer found a way to sentence him, then he's doing his job.
I've never heard that before. What a succinct piece of truth.