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Hello. I'd like some help designing a new PC with gaming being the main focus of the build. I haven't used windows for 4 years now (switched to apple after some horrific experiences with windows operating systems) but I hear that windows 7 is solid.

Money isn't too much of an issue currently. Living at home with my parents (2nd year uni student) but i'm working fairly long hours in holidays etc. Don't feel afraid to push the limits of sanity with the budget but only if its the kind of machine which will actually last.

Ideal price range: Up to £3000
Maximum: £5500

Open to advice on whether 2* £3000 system is > 1* £5500-6000 system and how long people estimate each machine will last running the latest games on at least medium settings. Of course the 2* £3000 machines will be purchased with a time gap between them.

Thanks in advance, and sorry for the read.

*edit

Also like to point out/ask:

1) Want a case that has easy maintenance and wouldn't cause a computer newbie like myself too much trouble upgrading the basic parts.
2) That case must be large to accomodate easy upgrading later.
3) I'll probably be running on a 24" monitor, 27" maximum. Is it worth considering SLI/Crossfire options for just a single (high resolution) screen?
4) For gaming are there any real benefits I just can't be without when concerning multiple monitors?
5) I'd like to have a large amount of SSD storage.
6) I'd like overclocking explained a bit more in terms of risk/reward. If I were to overclock will current games be able to utilise that extra power? How much am I reducing my CPU's life by by doing so to a reasonable amount (an amount which generates 0 to little more heat)?
7) Water vs air cooling. Does water cooling require considerable maintenance? Is it worth it and can I get an air cooled system running nice low temps without insane noise instead for the kind of system I seek?

ETA on machine purchase would be around July/August 2012.

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Big edit. Second system required.

If anyone wants to help further i'd need some advise on a second system. Figured I have the funds and I think I owe my parents something back.

Basically my Dad has an ancient PC at the moment and I don't think it is capable of doing what he needs to for work. I'm not 100% what he does on the computer but he does processor heavy work (data crunching), some basic graphics but nothing intense at all and very casual gaming. I'm talking about half life or facebook games and not often because he's so busy.

Budget for this second system i'm going to throw at around £800
Monitor, keyboard and mouse are already fine for him. Operating system also although if possible a windows 7 copy would be nice.

Thanks again.
 
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Hey and welcome :)

Do you need everything? e.g. OS/monitor(s)/keyboard/mouse?

That is a very big budget! I'd tried to be relatively sensible here, giving you awesome performance without going crazy. This is gaming focussed yeah?

Do you want 3 screens? Some people may prefer just one larger one.


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1 x Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £173.99
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £173.99
1 x Sandisk Extreme SSD 240GB 2.5" SATA-3 Solid State Hard Drive - (SDSSDX-240G-G25) £154.99
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Case is very much a personal choice, and with that budget you can have without ever one you want! :D

Weekly deals change tomorrow, so best to check back to see whats on offer. Also hopefully a few people will do some specs to give you a range of ideas. That's my take anyway :)
 
Yes I do need everything unfortunately. Thank you for the fast reply!

First things first. I don't want 3 screens no :) I simply haven't got the space for that. 2 would be my maximum but i'd rather be running a 24" single screen. Reason I asked was so many gamers seem to have multiple screens but I fail to see a really good use for it.

Couple of questions regarding the build.

1) i5 processor vs i7 for gaming. I don't really know the difference just one is newer than the other.
2) I noticed you suggest dual graphics cards. I've read around a bit and get really mixed reviews on if it is worth it over a single better graphics card. Who do I trust here?

Big thank you anyway. Also it's worth noting i'll include everything bar monitors in that budget because I already have a decent one stored away somewhere.

Plus yes big budget. Been working quite hard.
 
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Sounds like you've earnt it!

Well based on what you've said...

YOUR BASKET
1 x Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 Windforce 3X 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £339.95
1 x Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £173.99
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £173.99
1 x Sandisk Extreme SSD 240GB 2.5" SATA-3 Solid State Hard Drive - (SDSSDX-240G-G25) £154.99
1 x XFX 850W XXX Edition Modular '80 Plus Silver' Power Supply £99.98
1 x Corsair Vengeance K90 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard £99.98
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) £92.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 500R Midi Tower Case - Black £92.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GFC-02050) £72
1 x Phanteks PH-TC14PE CPU Cooler - Blue (Socket LGA 2011/1155/1156/1366/775/AMD AM2/2+/AM3) £60.98
1 x Corsair Vengeance M60 5700dpi Laser Gaming Mouse £49.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX8GX3M2A1600C9) £41.99
1 x Samsung SH-S222BB/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £14.99
Total : £1,485.31 (includes shipping : £13.75).



A GTX670 is plenty for a single screen :) and I agree, I'd prefer one screen to several. You either want 1 for games, or 3. Two is useful if you like multitasking, or maybe watching something while on the internet but generally not for gaming as you'll have the bezel in the middle. I have a 24" and a 15" (it was free :p) and its very nice to have the second one for various things.

i5 is best for gaming, this is the latest i5 and has only been out a few months. The i7 has hyperthreading, which is better for editing/heavy work, but games don't make use of it yet so its best to save the money, get an i5 and overclock it!

I suggested dual graphics cards, as you'd need lots of power for 3 screens. As you're going for one screen, a single 670 will be plenty and run anything :D
You can easily add a second graphics card in a year or so if you want more performance :)
 
Just saw your edit to the OP, I'll try to answer what I can.

1)The case I've chosen, review:

Very much depends what you like the look of.

2) Plenty of space for upgrades :)
3) For a 1080p screen, a single GPU is plenty. If you're running high res (e.g. 2560x1440 and you like really high settings, you might need more power).
4) It depends what sort of games you play, 3 screens can be more immersive
5) 240GB of SSD space, plenty there for you. Can always add a second for Steam or something if you like - you've got plenty of budget for that!
6) Little risk, overclocking modern CPUs is straight forward, theres many guides around and people on here to help. You can get better performance, and with a good cooler like I specced 4.5Ghz will be easy with nice low temperatures and low noise too. A good overclock needn't harm the CPUs lifespan significantly, chances are it'll be worth upgrading long before the CPUs gives in.
7) I'm not to clued up on watercooling. Though I know with decent air cooling you can get good overclocks with good temperature and little noise, with next to no maintenance (just dust really). You've definitely got a good budget for watercooling, so worth considering.

Specs may not be much use if you've ordering then, since new hardware may be out and deals will certainly change. Good to get an idea of what to buy though :)
 
That's excellent thanks again. Sub £1500 too :) Loads of budget left for actual games, future upgrades and beers.

Indeed, tis a very nice system indeed! :)

Which Uni you at and what are you studying?

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As you're not ordering for a while, might be worth sticking around, getting your post count up for the free shipping :) There are plenty of sections for discussion on here, and GD always has some interesting topics!
 
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University of Leicester on an Ancient History degree. Pretty interesting sometimes although I feel that there is a little too much emphasis on not studying the traditional stuff (big wars, headline politics etc) at Leicester.

And I suppose this reply aids in getting that post count up. Cheers again for the tip.
 
University of Leicester on an Ancient History degree. Pretty interesting sometimes although I feel that there is a little too much emphasis on not studying the traditional stuff (big wars, headline politics etc) at Leicester.

And I suppose this reply aids in getting that post count up. Cheers again for the tip.

Sounds interesting :) I guess you're done for summer now/soon? I'm at Birmingham doing Physics and just got back :D

Do you like the case? Might be worth having a look through and seeing what takes your fancy!
 
Looked at the review now. I think i'll purchase a larger case simply because I prefer the look of some of the larger ones and there's more space for stuff. Stuff is good. Top tier advice though thanks.
*Also a little paranoid about heat after what happened to a system I had in the past. The thing just wouldn't run cool no matter how many fans I put in the damn thing or what case I used.

Got another question for you. With my spare budget, if I wanted to future proof it a little more for high settings gaming where should I look to improve? I'm guessing a 16 GB RAM would be a good start and that shouldn't cost too much.

One more exam to go on the 6th of June then i'm done for second year. Got a rough idea on my dissertation too, basically the state of the Roman military after the second punic war. I'll have to read some books filled with pages of waffle and the eventual useful thing as is the case with historical writings but it'll be worth it in the end, hopefully.
 
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1 x Intel Core i7-3930K 3.20GHz (Sandybridge-E) Socket LGA2011 Processor - Retail £449.99
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Massive budget. This is a massively overclockable processor, best CPU air cooler, 690 which you could SLI i guess (but it is fine with all games now) blu-ray, powerful enough, 32GB of RAM, everything you might need... good display, you'll want to add keyboard and mouse but this would last you a good few years, and the PSU would allow you to put another 690 in there if you wanted to in a couple of years but lets face it, this could last you a good few years!

Put 2x2TB in there which you could RAID in either backup or fast mode, and an SSD for your OS.

I would suggest forget Windows 7 for the moment, get Windows 8 consumer preview and wait till Windows 8 is fully released, otherwise its just a waste of cash.

Edit: case is also personal preference, my mate has that case and says its great but I think i would go with a Corsair with that budget.
 
Looked at the review now. I think i'll purchase a larger case simply because I prefer the look of some of the larger ones and there's more space for stuff. Stuff is good. Top tier advice though thanks.

Got another question for you. With my spare budget, if I wanted to future proof it a little more for high settings gaming where should I look to improve? I'm guessing a 16 GB RAM would be a good start and that shouldn't cost too much.

One more exam to go on the 6th of June then i'm done for second year. Got a rough idea on my dissertation too, basically the state of the Roman military after the second punic war. I'll have to read some books filled with pages of waffle and the eventual useful thing as is the case with historical writings but it'll be worth it in the end, hopefully.

Yeah 16GB of RAM is a good idea, and really not expensive.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=my-112-ks

that rig is pretty good as it is, you can add another graphics card later for sli, and the cpu will overclock very well to handle games for years.

of course, if you just want to spend the money the spec above has some very top end stuff in. for gaming, imo, it's a waste. for instance, two 670s with match a 690.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/nvidia/geforce_gtx_670_sli/24.html

We've both specced some great coolers, heat wont be an issue :)
 
Yeah the build i did was more futureproof than anything, and will be quicker than 99.9999% of PC's built for home use. But he has the cash, and if he wants to spend it (as I would) then that would be what I would do. (and it was fun to spec :D)
 
Haha thanks Rooster also. You both have no idea how good it is to hear that those systems won't have trouble with heat after my last windows pc. Also, looking around that Thermaltake level 10 GT visionary case (mouthful and a half) is taking my liking. Looks pretty easy to keep dust out of the system etc and the white one reminds me of R2 D2 for some reason.

While we're here having a chat racking up my loyal customer thing, can either of you/anyone else suggest a decent headset? Something i'm quite looking forward to is getting a few mates online for Planetside 2 when it comes out. Looks like a game where fun is the point of the game again, thank god after all these CoD games is all I can say (in my opinion of course).
 
Haha thanks Rooster also. You both have no idea how good it is to hear that those systems won't have trouble with heat after my last windows pc. Also, looking around that Thermaltake level 10 GT visionary case (mouthful and a half) is taking my liking. Looks pretty easy to keep dust out of the system etc and the white one reminds me of R2 D2 for some reason.

While we're here having a chat racking up my loyal customer thing, can either of you/anyone else suggest a decent headset? Something i'm quite looking forward to is getting a few mates online for Planetside 2 when it comes out. Looks like a game where fun is the point of the game again, thank god after all these CoD games is all I can say (in my opinion of course).

Yeah the Thermaltake is an interesting one! I'm honestly not sure if I like it or not :p Will certainly stand out anyway :)

I wouldn't like to suggest something without really knowing what is best, since you can afford the very best I'd suggest asking in Sound City for some advice :)
 
The Thermaltake went through a 5 minute phase of that looks weird, actually it's not bad and it is said to be very functional and then finally damn R2 D2 cool. Also fair enough, I suppose I can splash a little on a quality headset recommended by an audiophile.

I'm quite surprised how much this stuff is taking my interest. Always thought computer hardware was a boring assortment of numbers but I find myself reading a fair bit on how things work right now. One day i'll be the one providing the help maybe :)
 
The Thermaltake went through a 5 minute phase of that looks weird, actually it's not bad and it is said to be very functional and then finally damn R2 D2 cool. Also fair enough, I suppose I can splash a little on a quality headset recommended by an audiophile.

I'm quite surprised how much this stuff is taking my interest. Always thought computer hardware was a boring assortment of numbers but I find myself reading a fair bit on how things work right now. One day i'll be the one providing the help maybe :)

Definitely! I love it. Since I've started helping out here where I can, it's really spurred my interest and it's always exciting when new hardware comes out, and even better when you can actually buy some :D

With so much to spend, and so much time, be sure to read/watch plenty of reviews to be sure of what you're getting :)
 
There's always a question I forget. Rooster suggests RAID and i've been looking around a lot about it. What I gather is that RAID 0 is what i'd want for gaming, as RAID 1 essentially halves my storage capacity and doesn't give the performance gain and the other RAID's aren't really what i'd want.

From my research I gather that it simply improves read/write times from the hard drive (I think i'm right?) but surely that means that the only impact RAID 0 would have is loading times of my games. With the proposed systems, either of them, I doubt i'd be too concerned by load times especially when RAID 0 seems to add the risk of double the loss should a hard drive error occur. Also some chap was on about how the RAID support on motherboards was trash quality and causes far more problems than a little load time is worth.

Have I got this right? Is RAID worth bothering with? From the sounds of it I don't really want to spend money on making my system a tiny bit faster but a lot less safe.
 
RAID I personally wouldn't bother with, I'd just use a 2TB for games and a 4TB for backup or something like that. I wish I had the cash for another backup hard drive, i hate losing data and I have a 600GB media collection which is only on 2 drives, which is one fewer than I would like. Then my games, well they aren't even backed up! but the majority are Steam games so thats ok.
 
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