Real World costs, Focus ST, Leon Cupra R, Megane RS 225

Another set of stats from an ST Owner (stock):
21mpg on a hoon
24mpg average - 30/40mph + 60/70mph even split for 20 miles round trip commute.
30mpg on a long drive

£125 per tyre for Eagle F1s fitted

I've got a local guy round here that is well known on the Owners forum who does all the servicing with Ford parts at a fraction of the cost, still get a stamp in the book.
Typical 5 year service from ford was priced at £186, haven't had the next one yet.
 
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In my remapped Cupra R I would get between 260 and 280 miles from a tank.

On a decent run I could just about stretch it to 35mpg. Most of the time it was in the high twenties though. Worst I saw was 17mpg over 25 miles.

Never really liked the car. I'd come from a DC2 though so maybe that spoilt it for me. Ended up wishing I'd bought an ep3 instead.
 
rossk26 said:
He's right! I can't bring myself to stop blipping the throttle to get the grumble and then a lovely pop from the exhaust :D

Worth the extra 2-3mpg loss over Type R, Cupra for me!!
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+1 :p

Everytime, its worst if you got it remapped and have a modded exhaust :p
 
Dr Who said:
Indeed, my Mk5 Golf GTI managed an easy 35mpg, higher on longer M.Way journeys.
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My budget would be a maximum (as in I can't go any higher at all) of about £7k. Would I get something in that price range? Currently on my phone so not easy to check.

Well, apparently I could get into an early VW Golf Gti 2.0T for £7k.
 
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Rybo89 said:
really?

I got 7mpg when on a hoon to stockport and back?

Though the week before i got 41mpg @55mph avg on the same route.
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Average, not on the spot :P

A round trip of 100miles to the Hartside Pass and back with some enthusiastic driving and I get about 21mpg. The worst i've ever managed over a tank is 21.15mpg.


rossk26 said:
Details?

- sent trust*
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Haven't got anything through my trust, but contact John-ST3 on FocusSTOC.co.uk and he'll sort you out. You'll need to travel to Blackhall Google Maps to get it done, but he's second to none when it comes to the ST. He can service them and also fit aftermarket parts for you on his ramps.
 
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MissChief said:
My budget would be a maximum (as in I can't go any higher at all) of about £7k. Would I get something in that price range? Currently on my phone so not easy to check.

Well, apparently I could get into an early VW Golf Gti 2.0T for £7k.
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You can get a GTi for that money, however you will be looking at slightly older higher mileage models than the equivalent Focus, Leon, or Civic...

Look out for a Jetta 2.0tfsi, these have recently been noted as excellent value and much cheaper than a Golf. Just depends if you are bothered on looks...
 
Liquidfox said:
Haven't got anything through my trust, but contact John-ST3 on FocusSTOC.co.uk and he'll sort you out. You'll need to travel to Blackhall Google Maps to get it done, but he's second to none when it comes to the ST. He can service them and also fit aftermarket parts for you on his ramps.
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Ah yeh I know that name, I did send him a PM about fitting a decat pipe a while back, but heard nothing. Assuming he must have a backlog of work!!
 
I had a ST for 25k miles ish, never went wrong, never had an issue with it. Very addictive noise, Mountune remap highly recommended, however

You will NEVER see 30mpg on short stop start runs. With the mountune I was doing 22-24mpg on normal driving, some blasts, some plods 6 miles back and forward to work. Did see 33mpg on a 85 mile trip to kent but was boring as hell. Anyone quoting 15mpg avg is either lying or drives like a total cretin.

You MIGHT see 30Mpg+ on longer runs as long as your not exceeding 70-75mph ish which is uber boring.

If you buy an ST you'll get 240-260 miles from a tank with normal day to day, potentially 300+ with some long runs and it does eat tyres pretty quick. Ideally you wanna run on super unleaded as well which is more expensive. Probably £75-£80 a fill now.

Its not a car you buy to plod about it, it will get ragged, the noise is too addictive not too. However value for money I found mine very very good.
 
Hi mate, I have a Gti-6 like yourself and have a few words of advice if you like.
Be VERY careful about which one you choose is all I would say...
Don't assume that a hatch with 30hp more than a 6 is going to be much quicker, as most modern hatches with about 197hp like for example a Corsa VXR will feel NO faster partly this is down to weight but Gti-6's are quite weird cars because they kick in power wise pretty low for a hot hatch and also rev quite high.
Equally the gearing is not typical of what I have experienced in other 6 speed box's which makes a difference, some cars have fairly standard equal gearing, where as a gti-6 has a very long 1st, a long ish second, then all the others are shortish. Basically the gear box is designed purely with acceleration in mind, hence why they do 4k ish revs in 6th at 85mph.
Personally I would be going for a megane 225 out of those its will be the one that its most like "more of the same but better" if you like. A ST is a bit more cruiserish than what I think you are after as in my view its less of a "drivers car" than the above.
Although I think maybe people are over-estimating its MPG ( the GTi-6) I would expect all of the others to cost no extra at all on fuel, or at least not enough to make a difference.

Also I would not recommend a Type-r at all, after 6 you wouldnt like the steering feel and its only really faster after 5k or so, before that I would say they feel quite lacking in comparison :S

I have a similar dilema, and have decided that i love my gti-6 so much and its running costs bar fuel are so small that im either going to drop in bored out 2.1 engine or get a supercharger :)
they are reliable cars though as long as you keep an eye on the cambelt, cambelt pulley and temperatures.
 
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gigeorge said:
Still be lucky to see more than 34ish mpg on a run in these things though. Unless you dip the clutch and 'coast' down hills.
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if you "dip" the clutch, you are wasting fuel. Why not just come off the accelerator altogether, and no need to "dip" the clutch...
 
Either way the ecu is putting in the same amount of fuel, however when the clutch is down there is no engine braking. Hence the save in fuel as you wont have to re accelerate.
Not like I do it mind.
 
Eliot said:
Hi mate, I have a Gti-6 like yourself and have a few words of advice if you like.
Be VERY careful about which one you choose is all I would say...
Don't assume that a hatch with 30hp more than a 6 is going to be much quicker, as most modern hatches with about 197hp like for example a Corsa VXR will feel NO faster partly this is down to weight but Gti-6's are quite weird cars because they kick in power wise pretty low for a hot hatch and also rev quite high.
Equally the gearing is not typical of what I have experienced in other 6 speed box's which makes a difference, some cars have fairly standard equal gearing, where as a gti-6 has a very long 1st, a long ish second, then all the others are shortish. Basically the gear box is designed purely with acceleration in mind, hence why they do 4k ish revs in 6th at 85mph.
Personally I would be going for a megane 225 out of those its will be the one that its most like "more of the same but better" if you like. A ST is a bit more cruiserish than what I think you are after as in my view its less of a "drivers car" than the above.
Although I think maybe people are over-estimating its MPG ( the GTi-6) I would expect all of the others to cost no extra at all on fuel, or at least not enough to make a difference.

Also I would not recommend a Type-r at all, after 6 you wouldnt like the steering feel and its only really faster after 5k or so, before that I would say they feel quite lacking in comparison :S

I have a similar dilema, and have decided that i love my gti-6 so much and its running costs bar fuel are so small that im either going to drop in bored out 2.1 engine or get a supercharger :)
they are reliable cars though as long as you keep an eye on the cambelt, cambelt pulley and temperatures.
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i wish mine was as reliable as yours seems to be. Bitron problems, £371 to get it through it's MOT, central locking working when it feels like it, the usual aircon not working etc etc etc!

That's also part of the reason I'm looking at something with 200HP+ with (hopefully) some better gearing for the long runs. Also I like the '6 and it's midrange shove, something I wouldn't get with a Civic which is why I've discounted it.
 
Eliot said:
Either way the ecu is putting in the same amount of fuel, however when the clutch is down there is no engine braking. Hence the save in fuel as you wont have to re accelerate.
Not like I do it mind.
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Not what I've heard. When you dip the clutch, the engine will rev more as the vehicle is not stationary. It will pump more fuel to prevent the engine from stalling. If you simply coast (no use of acc or clutch) then 0 amount of fuel is used.
 
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