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Poll: Poll: Do you believe in an afterlife?
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Every one of us has won the lottery to be lucky enough to be conscious inside the most intelligent organism on our planet.
What are the odds that we were chosen to be inside a human body?. You just have to look at the ground in your garden to see how many small organisms there are. Your "life" could have been an ant for example.
Whatever we like to believe I don't think humans are special, sure we can do special things, but we are made up of the same blocks as every other living thing on the planet. It just so happens we have a more complex DNA makeup than all the other species.
So if there was to be an afterlife, whose to say what body we would end up in this time, it could have easily been a frog, lion, beetle you name it.
What are the odds that we were chosen to be inside a human body?. You just have to look at the ground in your garden to see how many small organisms there are. Your "life" could have been an ant for example.
Whatever we like to believe I don't think humans are special, sure we can do special things, but we are made up of the same blocks as every other living thing on the planet. It just so happens we have a more complex DNA makeup than all the other species.
So if there was to be an afterlife, whose to say what body we would end up in this time, it could have easily been a frog, lion, beetle you name it.
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Nope, when your brain dies, you have nothing to think or sense with, so you cease to exist. You are just a collection of cells. It's like when you go to sleep, you lose conciousness and you don't suddenly become a soul and fly around. And the soul was just a way for primitive man to explain conciousness - now we know emotions, thoughts and memories are all chemical processes. If you get a brain injury you can lose your memory, so how would you remember anything when you are dead?
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To all the people doing the name calling and who are being generally denigrating - why can't you just accept that people have differing beliefs/values/opinions and not resort to pathetic childish responses? Oh wait... you're kids behind a keyboard that's right....
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Yep, the evidence is there to see already. A brain injury could turn the cleverist minds into a child like state. It's very sad.
I saw a documentary on a brain surgery operation, they were sending shocks into parts of a persons brain. They got the patient to count up to 10 and they said once we do the shock the person will stop counting and they did. To me that was very scary as our bodily functioning could be switched off by them fiddling with one small part of the brain.
Brings home how vulnerable we really are.
Edit: Found it, they find which part of the tumour is safe to remove by shocking it. if they stop counting to 10, they obviously need that part for speech. Incredible, yet scary stuff.
Skip to 8:43 for the shock bit.
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I haven't seen any real name calling on this thread. I guess I have the right people on ignore.
You do not know that any idea about a spirituality was borne out of fear or manipulation....also the idea that common sense actively supports any particular position is nonsence. Using common sense would logically conclude that as there is no evidence or knowledge either way that we simply remain ambivalent to the subject.
Also spirituality has little to do with God or a belief in a God either way, there are many people, positions and religions that hold to ideas and views on an Afterlife, Resurrection of spirit and/or Reincarnation of Consciousness that are atheist in that respect. Also there is significant differences with respect to definition and substance of comparative beliefs, even within the same belief structures there can be huge variation in what individuals define as an Afterlife or their relative expectation of one, or not as the case may be.
Simply calling people morons because they do not share the same view on this as you isn't using common sense, it is simply being arrogant, often in ignorance.
I don't recall being an infant.....does that mean I didn't exist....
Like I said, I am sceptical but as I cannot suitably explain certain experiences in my life, and neither can others at least so far, to any degree of certainty I remain open minded on the subject...
Either way, one day we shall all find out, one way or another.
Indeed.
Quite. Equally any claims of knowledge contrary are almost certainly false. We simply do not know. We all will one day however.
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No and sincerely hope not. Think about some of the ideas. Be reincarnated as an animal, no thanks. Have eternal life. Good God no. A few thousand years great. But eternity, what you going to do after the first few billion years.
Consciousness =/ memory, although you're right it could just be lack of memory.
I don't recall being an infant.....does that mean I didn't exist....
Consciousness =/ memory, although you're right it could just be lack of memory.
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Uh oh.
Couple of things to point out, there is no such thing as a spirit.
The fella you quoted cannot believe a negative, therefore his argument is not based in belief.
If you believe in an afterlife you are an *no insults*.
I'm not so convinced that if there is an afterlife that it would necessarily manifest in our individualism. To wit, I feel that if there is some form of Afterlife then our individuality is lost or maybe subsumed into some universal concsiouness or simply we are consigned to universal oblivion, as if we never existed.....I woukd prefer the former, but suspect the latter.
In either case I suspect that if there is an Afterlife, it would be so totally alien to our corporeal existence as to be incomparable on an individual level.
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I don't recall being an infant.....does that mean I didn't exist....
Did you exist before you were conceived?
Prove it.
Indeed...another way to look at it is that ultimately our consciousness is limited/constrained by our corporeal being...thus like trying to put infinite information onto a finite hard disc.....it simply doesn't fit.
Who knows, but I see no reason not to consider more than our physical being, and I certainly do not think doing so is moronic or idiotic as some (not you) seem to be suggesting.
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Ok then prove that there is such a thing.
Therein lies the question.....as the corporeal individual you see before you, no.......but otherwise?....who can say, hense mankinds obsession with the question.
Trying to equate a corporeal existence to a spiritual existence seem ultimately pointless as each assumes different criteria for their respective existence.
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Nooo idea 
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Maybe there is something, maybe there isn't, I'm not sure how anyone can say.
You're not going to last long around here with that attitude.
.Maybe there is something, maybe there isn't, I'm not sure how anyone can say.
You're not going to last long around here with that attitude.
Exactly this, really. I don't subscribe to any particular religion, or believe in a specific god, but I do believe in reincarnation. I also don't especially consider myself to be an idiot, but I have my moments.
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Please don't use personal attacks or call people idiots. It's just not on - just because you're behind a keyboard and too gutless or haven't got the perpiscacity to make a decent argument and resorting to name calling makes you really look rather daft.