Unemployed bussed in to steward jubilee, unpaid and asked to sleep rough

its not the workshy that get pressured onto these schemes....


its the people who are new to signing on that dont realise you dont have to attend these schemes
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
Mental capacity and working hard are mutually exclusive.
I've seen supermarket managers that haven't a GCSE to their name, but that doesn't mean they don't have ambition or work hard.
I've seen college dropouts with several houses and a booming building business.

The world owes you nothing, but the British working class seem to think it does.
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I have seen people stacking shelves in Tesco who have what I could only describe as "sub-normal intelligence". They were still stacking shelves as well as they could.

You can tell a lot about a society by how it treats its weakest members.
 
This country cant run on services forever, the state of most of networks (whether it be private or public, water, rail, road, airports, power...whatever) is a shambles half the time.

There needs to be a massive infrastructure boosting programme so people out of work can do something literally beneficial to the country, even if all they are paid is a house to live in and food/water to drink, they at least can say they rebuilt a nation.

Of course that does mean the quality of such things come into question and where the money would come from, but waiting countless years on projects that get constantly pushed back or cancelled out right is not doing us any sort of favour.
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
I must admit that I don't live in the North, but I have no idea why finding work at 30 is supposed to be harder. At 30 you have another 37 working years left in you so you are hardly 'past it'!.
At 30 if you should have plenty of useful work experience behind you - You must have done something since you were 16!
At 40 you could have been a managing director, or a lawyer, or a chartered engineer, have your own plumbing business etc. If you have just sat on a checkout for 24 years then you are indeed screwed!
Only those who are 40 and have never achieved anything will be stuck.
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Why is your location Stoke if you don't live in the North?

Also, how do the current levels of youth unemployment reconcile with your frankly bizarre world view?
 
scorza said:
Why is your location Stoke if you don't live in the North?

Also, how do the current levels of youth unemployment reconcile with your frankly bizarre world view?
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I live near Stoke at home and go to Unviersity in Loughborough.
Both of which are in the Midlands. Neither is in the North.
The news also said that 20% of people in Stoke don't have any GCSEs. They are their own worst enemy to be honest.

spudbynight said:
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I've seen Oxford graduates struggle for work as they have nothing about them when it comes to working with people or the motivation for getting a job. I was being serious.
 
spudbynight said:
If you live in central London maybe. There are parts of the north of England where there simply are no jobs. Also, try looking for work when you are over 30 it gets harder again when you hit 40.
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Plenty of people in the third world would love to travel thousands of miles to come over here and have the opportunity to work - many do, some of whom can't speak the language very well.

Part of the issue in the UK in recent years has simply been that our own population is unwilling to relocate in order to find work.
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
Much better to spend a billion on that than on people's Benson & Hedges and Sky HD subscriptions, but seriously you are going off topic.
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The government sets the amount of money it thinks is appropriate for people to live off, if they spend their money on fags and tv instead of food who are you to tell them they can't.

Just because people are jobless doesn't mean they should strip their house of all luxuries and live in a prison cell.
dowie said:
Plenty of people in the third world would love to travel thousands of miles to come over here and have the opportunity to work - many do, some of whom can't speak the language very well.

Part of the issue in the UK in recent years has simply been that our own population is unwilling to relocate in order to find work.
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How are they supposed to relocate if they don't have the money to do so?

What happens if all the people in the North that can't get a job all come down south, then there wont be any jobs down south.......
 
They got some free training... been out of work for ages... I fail to see a problem with this.

Unfortunately unless you put the hard work in, you'll be left with measly jobs... if they want better for themselves go out and get it with fighting spirit.

Sure, it may have been cold... but what else would they have been doing for 2 days? Looking for "jobs" and filling in their job finding report sheet with **** they never actually looked for?

They are Volunteers for a reason, you don't see soup kitchen workers crying about no pay and benefits, they Volunteer for the good of others.
 
Eeeeeethan said:
Just because people are jobless doesn't mean they should strip their house of all luxuries and live in a prison cell.
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You are correct, but being unemployed shoud be tough enough to make people really try hard to get work.

When I see unemployed (long term) families with a few kids with:
50 inch 3D Plasma
New laptops for the kids
Two weeks in Barbados each year
Sky HD
Both parents smoke and drink
Decent looking clothes
Central heating
Double glazing
No council tax

....Makes me think I am doing something wrong by wanting to work for a living.
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
You are correct, but being unemployed shoud be tough enough to make people really try hard to get work.

When I see unemployed (long term) families with a few kids with:
50 inch 3D Plasma
New laptops for the kids
Two weeks in Barbados each year
Sky HD
Both parents smoke and drink
Decent looking clothes
Central heating
Double glazing
No council tax

....Makes me think I am doing something wrong by wanting to work for a living.
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That is a bit ridiculous, if anyone on JSA manages this I want to know how i've lived on JSA for a while you cannot do anything but eat and pay your bills (Oh yeah no central heating I couldn't afford it so I near on died this winter).... so **** knows how these people get that stuff.
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
You are correct, but being unemployed shoud be tough enough to make people really try hard to get work.

When I see unemployed (long term) families with a few kids with:
50 inch 3D Plasma
New laptops for the kids
Two weeks in Barbados each year
Sky HD
Both parents smoke and drink
Decent looking clothes

....Makes me think I am doing something wrong by wanting to work for a living.
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Oh dear, have you been watching too much Jeremy Kyle?

I know people on benefits and none of them have luxuries even coming close to this.

But there are mitigating factors, things might be presents from other family members, they may have been bought when the people had a job, they may have bought them on credit.

Don't just jump to conclusion and assume they can afford all that on £60 a week, if people can afford that then I might as well just quit my job now and go on benefits, sounds like the lap of luxury.
 
dowie said:
They sound a bit soft tbh... they had 4 hours to sleep on the coach and were told to get their head down for a couple of hours under London bridge (article says they arrived at 3am and got up at 5:30 am - so 2.5 hours under the bridge... )... sounds like they had tents but didn't due to hassle of using them on concrete*... then they had to work in the rain wearing a waterproof supplied to them... (the horror) and later they were taken to a soggy campsite (damn that rain again). Not being funny but if you're going to work outside then you'll likely have to put up with rain and if you're going to do a job working at events then sleeping in tents/sleeping when traveling might well be part of the requirements.

Maybe the company was badly organised but I'd say the combination of people not used to working suddenly being faced with having to put up with less than ideal conditions and a guardian journalist looking for a story has made this look worse than it likely was.

*(strangely enough other unemployed people trouble putting up tents on concrete outside st pauls)
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Well said.
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
You are correct, but being unemployed shoud be tough enough to make people really try hard to get work.

When I see unemployed (long term) families with a few kids with:
50 inch 3D Plasma
New laptops for the kids
Two weeks in Barbados each year
Sky HD
Both parents smoke and drink
Decent looking clothes
Central heating
Double glazing
No council tax

....Makes me think I am doing something wrong by wanting to work for a living.
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lol none of them live like they, they are all in debt to loan sharks and drink and smoke because they have no hope, their parents where the same so they are the same and their kids are going to be the same.
 
sp1ke said:
That is a bit ridiculous, if anyone on JSA manages this I want to know how i've lived on JSA for a while you cannot do anything but eat and pay your bills (Oh yeah no central heating I couldn't afford it so I near on died this winter).... so **** knows how these people get that stuff.
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Saying you need central heating or will die?
How on earth did my gread grandma live until she was 96 then? Magic perhaps?!?!

Eeeeeethan said:
Oh dear, have you been watching too much Jeremy Kyle?
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I can't watch Jeremy Kyle, as it is on during weekdays when I am at work.
 
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