Possible Death Penalty for Drug Smuggling Housewife

[Craterloads]

Presumably you don't walk, run, drive or ever leave the house, and are never in the house.

196 per year is NOT bad, not at all. It'd not good, but you're much more likely to die in a car crash, for example.

When 1 of them 196 is a member of your own family member, maybe mother, daughter etc then we will see if you still think its "NOT bad" jees

The point you are trying to make is just absurd, yes people die every day, yes you may be die from an allergic reaction to brussel sprouts but what the hell has that got to do with an illegal, dangerous and addictive drug?

Running, driving etc all necessities of life that benefit society as a whole. Cocaine, heroin etc don’t...

The said drugs are highly addictive and WILL ruin your life. They cannot be controlled or used responsibly. I’ve never seen a responsible heroin user in my life, yet the majority of people who consume alcohol can use it in moderation and with responsibility as it is not that addictive. Drink too much alcohol and 99% of the time you will pass out. Shoot too much heroin your as good as dead.

 

[Craterloads]

That figure would also be much lower, as the most common cause of death is from the stuff that it's mixed with (to cut down on the purity to increase profit).

This would not happen if it was legal, it would all be tested & regulated.

If your going to quote someone dont edit the **** out of it. If you cant make a point fairly then dont bother.

Originally Posted by Craterloads
She was smuggling drugs - so the death penalty is fitting.

Actually Posted by Craterloads
She was smuggling drugs which would have ruined many lives and claimed many as well, so the death penalty is fitting.

 

[Elrein]

Yep all that champagne n caviar the last few years must have been so sweet, Your next holiday destination is 6 foot under and the worms are Gunna love those nice new holes you've got

K thanks bye

 

[estebanrey]

If you're given the death penalty for trying to smuggle drugs into Singapore, do they give a million pounds if you're caught smuggling them out? Only seems fair....

 

[realBabelfish]

That figure would also be much lower, as the most common cause of death is from the stuff that it's mixed with (to cut down on the purity to increase profit).

This would not happen if it was legal, it would all be tested & regulated.

i never understood why people dont just use glucose to cut things. its harmless

 

[shoes]

This would not happen if it was legal, it would all be tested & regulated.

I wholeheartedly agree. As a recreational drugs user myself (who happens to have a good job, decent friends, two BMWs, a large house (admittedly half paid for by inheritance half mortgage), no criminal record and has never been reliant on society for drug related issues I find the current drug policies abhorrent and frankly insulting on the whole.

I can't remember the last time I got into a cannabis fuelled brawl, or a cocaine induced crime spree.

But yeah, drugs are bad m'kay....

 

[Freakbro]

When 1 of them 196 is a member of your own family member, maybe mother, daughter etc then we will see if you still think its "NOT bad" jees

Yes, I would still think it is 'Not Bad'

Running, driving etc all necessities of life that benefit society as a whole. Cocaine, heroin etc don’t...

What about all the other hobbies that are not essential and life threatening...extreme sports, parachuting, motor sport...should all these be banned too?

The said drugs are highly addictive and WILL ruin your life.

Rubbish

They cannot be controlled or used responsibly

Rubbish

I’ve never seen a responsible heroin user in my life

But I know plenty of responsible cocaine users.

yet the majority of people who consume alcohol can use it in moderation and with responsibility as it is not that addictive. Drink too much alcohol and 99% of the time you will pass out. Shoot too much heroin your as good as dead.

But when alcohol was illegal and then made from stills and unregulated (moonshine) then people did die from it's consumption, because they did not know it's purity or concentration. Hence regulation and decriminalisation of Cocaine, Heroin et al would lead to less deaths from OD etc as it's purity & strength would be known... as shown by the statistics of countries that have tried this approach.

 

[steve-h]

Is there a single thread these days that doesn't contain at least one bizarre anti-everything-down-with-the-establishment style post?

What's bizarre about being against a group of people stealing your money and then using it to enforce laws which dictate what you can put in your own body?

But it's in fashion. You're cool and trendy if you are.

Obviously not as trendy as having your money stolen from you.

 

[HAz]

She was smuggling Cocaine. Far more people die from the likes of Alcohol than Cocaine use.

For example, according to the Telegraph article below, only 196 people in England and Wales died as a result of Cocaine use in 2007.

I appreciate there are other factors, but in terms of actual lives lost from use, it's not that bad. Heck, most drugs are safer than alcohol.

Sources, slightly old, but it's a start:
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/faqs/faqpages/how-many-people-die-from-drugs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/2...-reach-highest-level-since-records-began.html

yea but you think the same amount of people do coke as drink alcohol?? LOL!¬!!!!!

 

[Craterloads]

Yes, I would still think it is 'Not Bad'.

Then sadly theres something wrong with you. If you seen your own daughter die from an overdose of heroin and you still think its "not bad" then you deserve to be hung as well.

What about all the other hobbies that are not essential and life threatening...extreme sports, parachuting, motor sport...should all these be banned too

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Wow comparing sports to illegal drugs Straining to fart can lead to an anurism...

Rubbish



Rubbish



But I know plenty of responsible cocaine users.

Have a walk around some of the estates in the UK and then come back to me, see what it does to people lives. You probably only seen the highs, in clubs people taking cocaine.

 

[estebanrey]

The said drugs are highly addictive and WILL ruin your life. They cannot be controlled or used responsibly. I’ve never seen a responsible heroin user in my life, yet the majority of people who consume alcohol can use it in moderation and with responsibility as it is not that addictive. Drink too much alcohol and 99% of the time you will pass out. Shoot too much heroin your as good as dead.

I think you need to differentiate between all drugs and heroin. I would be willing to wager a fair amount that user for user, alcohol kills far more people than drugs outside heroin.

You are also wrong, you can get alcohol poisoning and you can die from too much in one night (as you can with many substances including caffeine).

The only reason alcohol is legal at all is simple because it was too popular at the time narcotic laws were passed hundreds of years ago. They wanted to ban all narcotic substances including alcohol but knew alcohol would be too hard to implement (especially people can make it themselves at home) so that's the only reason it stayed a legal substance and everything else got banned.

If we were making the laws today and we were starting with a fresh society (kinda like the new game of the Sims), it would almost certainly be made illegal.

 

[Freakbro]

Then sadly theres something wrong with you. If you seen your own daughter die from an overdose of heroin and you still think its "not bad" then you deserve to be hung as well.

For someone who is against unnecessary deaths you sure do want to go round killing lots of people!

We are talking about the number of deaths, not the manner of that death....keep up!

Just because I might be subjectively involved in one of those, it should not distort my view on the overall picture.

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Wow comparing sports to illegal drugs Straining to fart can lead to an anurism...

Is that all you are going to say to any analogy?

Have a walk around some of the estates in the UK and then come back to me, see what it does to people lives. You probably only seen the highs, in clubs people taking cocaine.

So what about alcoholics and winos, should we ban alcohol because a small % of the people who take it develop problems?

I know the harmful effects drug dependency can cause, but out of all illegal drug users the % who have life destroying problems is still a small % of the total. Also, most of the effects are exacerbated *because* it is illegal and people are forced underground rather than getting help.

 

[Craterloads]

I think you need to differentiate between all drugs and heroin. I would be willing to wager a fair amount that user for user, alcohol kills far more people than drugs outside heroin..

Its not just heroin though is it. Just look at the impact meth has had in parts of the US.

You are also wrong, you can get alcohol poisoning and you can die from too much in one night (as you can with many substances including caffeine).

Hence why i said 99% of the time.

The only reason alcohol is legal at all is simple because it was too popular at the time narcotic laws were passed hundreds of years ago. They wanted to ban all narcotic substances including alcohol but knew alcohol would be too hard to implement (especially people can make it themselves at home) so that's the only reason it stayed a legal substance and everything else got banned.

If we were making the laws today and we were starting with a fresh society (kinda like the new game of the Sims), it would almost certainly be made illegal.

While personally i would ban all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco (says as he’s smoking a cigarette ) But think there is a clear difference between them.

 

[steve-h]

While personally i would ban all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco (says as he’s smoking a cigarette ) But think there is a clear difference between them.

It honestly blows my mind how you think you have the right to enforce this on other people. I bet you would be fine with stealing other people's money to make it all possible too.

 

[Craterloads]

For someone who is against unnecessary deaths you sure do want to go round killing lots of people!

We are talking about the number of deaths, not the manner of that death....keep up!

Just because I might be subjectively involved in one of those, it should not distort my view on the overall picture..

It's easy to be subjective whilst sat behind a computer screen

Number of deaths - You should be thankful these drugs are infact illagal and relative difficult to get hold of, hence the lower death rates. If you had your way im sure that number would increase substantially.

Is that all you are going to say to any analogy?

Yes when your analogies are completely off topic and have no bearing on the discussion. Hence my completely pointless analogy in response.

So what about alcoholics and winos, should we ban alcohol because a small % of the people who take it develop problems?

I know the harmful effects drug dependency can cause, but out of all illegal drug users the % who have life destroying problems is still a small % of the total. Also, most of the effects are exacerbated *because* it is illegal and people are forced underground rather than getting help.

Exactly "small % of people develop problems" compared to the high level problems created by meth users or heroin users.

 

[Craterloads]

It honestly blows my mind how you think you have the right to enforce this on other people. I bet you would be fine with stealing other people's money to make it all possible too.

It's my opinion, i feel society as a whole would benifit.

I bet you get ****** with need to have a driving license. Who hell do the government think they are enforcing other people to require a card allowing you to drive.

 

[Yaayuh!]

It's stupid, but not death penalty stupid surely?
IMO she should be sentenced to prison and a big slap round the face every morning for being an idiot.

 

[Freakbro]

It's easy to be subjective whilst sat behind a computer screen

You mean objective, the complete opposite to subjective, have a back

If you had your way im sure that number would increase substantially.

This is the whole point, what you are "sure of" seems to be load of unsubstantiated sensationalist nonsense, whereas the people generally tasked with studying the empirical evidence come to the opposite conclusions.

Hmm, who should I believe...

 

[steve-h]

It's my opinion, i feel society as a whole would benifit.

Oh, well as long as you have our best interests at heart feel free to take my money with force. Perhaps you could steal more of our money and start your own health service with it too. Perhaps a fire and police service as well... hell, TAKE US TO WAR! YEE HAW!!

I bet you get ****** with need to have a driving license. Who hell do the government think they are enforcing other people to require a card allowing you to drive.

Do you really think we need a government stealing our money to do this? The road's owner would have an incentive to make sure the road is safe, else nobody would use it.

 

[Craterloads]

You mean objective, the complete opposite to subjective, have a back

Point still stands, its easy the be objective whilst sat behind a computer screen. The people who have to deal with it on a daily basis would disagree.

This is the whole point, what you are "sure of" seems to be load of unsubstantiated sensationalist nonsense, whereas the people generally tasked with studying the empirical evidence come to the opposite conclusions....

Why dont you be a test subject for us. Please start using heroin and try to be responsible as possible. See you back here in 10 years for the results.

whereas the people generally tasked with studying the empirical evidence come to the opposite conclusions

If im correct what you have just said is pretty much "unsubstantiated nonsense" no?