Unemployment Mandatory work scheme does not improve job chances

there where long periods of unemployment in among this, and i didnt sign on, they can stick their benefits, i am my own man, and i make it alone.

ohh and before you say, how did you manage? where you get food from etc... think about the countrys around the world that dont have a benefit systems, or peeps from other countrys living here with no benefits.

as for the 3 mil out of work, 2.7 mil will be loser slackers who dont want a job, the others just need to persisit in thier quest for a job.

please, you will get no sympathy from me about your situation, man up, go out and get training/volunteering/**** job and make a start on your life.

and dont give up till you get what you want.

life is tooooo short to post on a forum about not having work.

how about you make a shoe shine box? go near to your local train station and make some cash?

i have a good friend who made his job, what job you ask? he goes down the local sainsburys and he takes the trolleys off women just outside the door, helping them to the cab/car. with a smile and a laugh. they inturn let him return it for the pound, he always offers the pound back to them, but mostly they refuse. his previous career? civil engineer.

and although i give no sympathy about your situation, doesnt mean i dont care, i do care about you and all the other out there who are jobless, hence why i replied. we just need to find our own solutions.

Easier to say than do, some people just don't naturally have what it takes to do a lot of that stuff, not everyone has a get up and go personality naturally and its not something you can necessarily learn (not that I expect you to understand what its like for people who naturally aren't like that as you appear to naturally be the get up and go type so you can't really see it from their perspective of have any empathy for it).

While you were just citing examples - you'd get moved on by the police around here for doing both of those things.

There are a lot of people who do need a boot up the arse but there are also a lot of people who genuinely aren't in a good situation and its even worse currently.
 
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please, you will get no sympathy from me about your situation, man up, go out and get training/volunteering/**** job and make a start on your life.

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i have a good friend who made his job, what job you ask? he goes down the local sainsburys and he takes the trolleys off women just outside the door, helping them to the cab/car. with a smile and a laugh. they inturn let him return it for the pound, he always offers the pound back to them, but mostly they refuse. his previous career? civil engineer.

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A reflection of a society is in the manner in which it treats its weakest members...

to rip a lotr meme - one does not simply 'get a job'.
Certainly not these days - you can put yourself forward all you like, but if employers aren't looking for staff, you're not going to make them give you a job, no matter how good you might be.

Your mate sounds like the scam artists at my local supermarket who try and blag the coin out of your trolley :p - the sort I always tell to **** off! (I know I know your mate is being honest and all of that, just made me laugh).

If its bad enough for those not in work who are able bodied then how bad is it for those that are not:

A friend of the family has recently recovered from a brain haemorrhage, loosing his career of the last 22 years (agricultural stuff). He still cannot see to read or watch tv for anything but short periods of time, he cannot drive, he cannot use a computer (indeed he wouldn't know how to use one), he has trouble sleeping and waking and being cogent enough to function when he gets up, at least for several hours to begin with.
Recently, despite the recommendations of his consultant neurologist, and his GP, his 'sympathetic' Atos medical assessor has returned the same letter your dialysis guy article has got -
You must take part in work-focused interviews with a personal adviser to continue to receive employment and support allowance in full.

“The adviser will help you take reasonable steps to move towards work.”
The poor ******* is in his mid 50's and has no experience of anything outside of what he's done in farming and agriculture all of his life. What exactly he'll get out of 'back to work focused interviews' in his current state is anybody's guess. Probably some snotty graduate with a fledgling career in recruitment, teaching him how to put his O-levels and experience of shooting livestock for the knacker on to a CV no employer will ever take a second look at.

He'll have to have someone take him to the interview, as he cannot see well enough to catch a bus.

If you saw him in the street you'd not know anything was wrong with him.

Somehow this last exactly illustrates the problem with the current government policy regarding long term illness and this welfare to work thing. At face value everyone should get on your bike (tebbit) and get a job. In reality all of these 'reforms' (although we should really call them 'budget cuts' - we all know that's what these reforms are really about) take nothing but the most simplistic and cursory view of the individual, then trundle on attempting to make the proverbial square peg fit into a round hole. Just like every other government department and policy linked with the benefits system.

These mandatory work schemes just sound awful.

On the whole they are almost worthless in their intent and their application.

The only good thing about mine was the people I worked with - it didn't teach me anything or give me any skills; the only thing I did learn was how wasteful we are as a culture, both in the things we throw away, and the things we manufacture. Sorting other peoples junk, or 'quality items' as we used to joke about shows you how wasteful we really are.

It's worth noting that the DWP and their partners had nothing whatsoever to do with finding or enforcing any 'work placement' that I was on - I went and found the 'job' at the PDSA, independently and without any influence from the jobcentre, just for something to do in my local area. But of course the company running CAP got paid for my going to the PDSA - though the PDSA received nothing except my time.

Somehow it seems unfair for a charity to get no financial subsidy for 'welfare to work community action program' participation, and yet a private company who is in it for the money and nothing greater than that, stands to make a profit from unemployment - after all, if there were no money in it, why else would a privately owned 'for profit' organisation be involved with such a scheme? Purely out of the beneficent nature of their golden little hearts? :p I don't think so.
 
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These mandatory work schemes, do they put all jobseekers on them, or is this scheme aimed at people who have been on benefits for a long time?
 
The Guardian will not write a positive story about government policy. When it comes to things like this the only thing you can rely on them being is intentionally dishonest and misleading. They will misinterpret statistics and imply the wrong conclusion.

Just like I wouldn't read a Daily Mail article on immigration, I won't read a Guardian article on government policy.

My brother works for a company with a government contract to help long term unemployed back into work. He says that the coalition are trying to do the right thing and broadly speaking it is the right thing, however there's too much politics involved. He also says that the SNP are attempting to sabotage it, because they want anything from Westminster in Scotland to fail. He has no idea about politics at all, other than what he sees affecting him day to day.
 
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True - there was all sorts of 'disclosure' and data protection stuff they asked you to sign, basically if you do sign it, it leaves them an opening to say you 'agreed' to x y z conditions and now they can use that to action a sanction through the jobcentre if you 'fail to comply' with their terms and conditions, even though the scheme is essentially voluntary at an early stage. I had the same with the first new deal pilot scheme many, many years ago - it was voluntary until I was on the books, they they (fernly business centre, on behalf of the dwp) screwed me over big time.
You could opt not to sign those papers and 'it wouldn't effect your claim' etc etc bit it might make it more difficult to communicate with the jobcentre and the DWP or 'possible employers' - the inference being if they cannot talk to JCP, your money might be 'delayed/withheld' until confirmation etc. That's how it was alluded to me anyway.
 
I recently left my job as they were asking me to do the same job as others for much less, travel to London 5 days a week which would have completely ruined any kind of past times I have. It was a tough decision which I still stand by but god being unemployed ruins your self esteem. Sent many applications off and received 1 reply back...

Just have to stay positive, keep applying with anyone you can and something will eventually come off.
 
Just have to stay positive, keep applying anyone you can and something will eventually come off.

Tbh, that's about all you can do.
I can say from personal understanding, job hunting is a soul destroying experience through and through. Especially now.
 
No man is an island.

We have more people than jobs, grow up.

We also, at least arguably, have more jobs than we have people that want them. Certain job categories can't find decent applicants.

We have a mismatch of skills, ability, literacy and expectations. It's an issue that Education, Education, Education Blair managed to fruition and the coalition haven't made significant progress in tackling.
 
We also, at least arguably, have more jobs than we have people that want them. Certain job categories can't find decent applicants.

We have a mismatch of skills, ability, literacy and expectations. It's an issue that Education, Education, Education Blair managed to fruition and the coalition haven't made significant progress in tackling.
That is another factor, but I'm talking overall, we have more people than free jobs - but yes - of the free jobs we do have some vacancies that people are not skilled for.

My field is one of them (predictive modelling), nobody is qualified to do it in the UK (it seems from the lack of UK applicants).
 
We also, at least arguably, have more jobs than we have people that want them. Certain job categories can't find decent applicants.

We have a mismatch of skills, ability, literacy and expectations. It's an issue that Education, Education, Education Blair managed to fruition and the coalition haven't made significant progress in tackling.

Yes but in these areas which don't have enough people for positions, it ends up leading to a rush of applicants for college courses or degrees in that subject and by the time they are qualified in that role it ends up overpopulated.

It happened a few years back with the likes of plumbing and heating. There wasn't enough of them and now 2 years later there's too many of them. At least that's what happened up this way anyway. It will vary in different areas obviously.
 
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Not to mention the many jobs you cannot actually earn a living wage doing - warehousing for pepsico (walkers) was one I did for a while, until they kept sending us temps home early as they had no work on... no work = no pay. No regular certain income really messes up your life - as it was rotating 2 week shift work, you couldn't get another job to do as well to tide you over.
There's a lot of companies who do this kind of thing, though mainly in the logistics and warehousing industry. Big companies who take the **** with temporary workers.
 
That is another factor, but I'm talking overall, we have more people than free jobs - but yes - of the free jobs we do have some vacancies that people are not skilled for.

My field is one of them (predictive modelling), nobody is qualified to do it in the UK (it seems from the lack of UK applicants).

Yep... it's misleading to say that we don't have enough job vacancies.

Let's play hypothetically... and assume that every unemployed person is a polymath athlete renaissance man, and qualified willing and able for every job vacancy around.

Right away we get all 475K current job vacancies filled. That's 47%K families with a much greater income which they will spend, creating how many more vacancies in the short term? 250K? Again how many will that create in the short term? It wouldn't be long until we had full employment.

There's about 30mil people employed in the private and public sector combined, it's not difficult to see that filling job vacancies would have a noticeable effect on GDP etc.
 
Get the masses with money in their pocket and they'll spent it on your economy.
It almost sounds idiot proof...
 
Completely off topic but jumpy the bridge picture in your sig, was it taken on the Corby to Kettering road?
 
MWA is a pain in the **** i was meant to go on it but my JCP Advisor was a complete useless ***** as was the cmpany sorting it out, but things changed at home so i had to sign off...
What they should do to the long term unemployed (yes iam one of them*) instead of forcing them to do 30 hours a week unpaid, is to make them work off their JSA at minimum wage, so 11 hours a week while they're on this silly ass course, it gives them the same experience, plus your not made to feel like a total slave...
Just my opinion of course
 
Given that all the evidence available before the ConDems pushed this supported the same conclusion, this should come as no surprise. Nothing like evidence based policy making.
 
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