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Are you a feminist?
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but I also believe men get treated badly in a lot of situations too, like the fact, like I have also stated, I felt there was no point fighting for custody of my kids, as the courts will always side with the women. I do not believe however 50% of jobs should be filled by men and 50% of jobs should be filled by women, I believe the person who can do the job the best should get it, shouldn't matter what they are.
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I think regarding that, i guess you're correct. But historically and even now, from my short experience as a human being, I find the world to be much more skewed in my favor than a women's. For example, I dislike how frowned upon it is for women to not wear cosmetics.
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So that's the other end of the spectrum. I completely agree with you that the courts screw a majority of men over. It's a messed up world with live in. The problem with saying you're a feminist or a masculinist or whatever is that as soon as you announce one, you're assumed to reject the other.
So what I'm basically saying is, I, personally, do not discriminate or attempt to discriminate against people because of their sex. It just so happens that these views fit in line with the dictionary definitions of feminism and masculinism (although the latter doesn't see as much exposure because generally, in most case, the Western world caters more for men than women, socially and economically).
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Who frowns upon it? In my limited experience it seems to be the magazines that women buy that comment on how a woman looks, how much makeup she is wearing or if she's forgotten to shave her pits, which are run by women....
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agreed, most men, including me, prefer women with a more natural look and not caked in makeup and that. I think its only a small percentage of men that do, its just women insecurities in themselves that make them put a 'mask' on to make themselves feel better, and use the fact men prefer it as an excuse.
Believing in equality of gender doesn't make you a feminist......
apparently is does. and I am one
ah well, spose I best go out and find as many women as I can, steal their bras and burn them publicly as a statement of my new found feminism.
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The sad truth is, most magazines are owned by media companies with the soul intent of selling products. Boots is the largest cosmetics company in the UK and I guarantee you, Boots spends a ridiculous amount of money to make the population feel as ugly and dependent on their products as possible.
Heck, a great example is Gok Wan. He's made a career out of telling women they'll be more attractive if they buy belts from Topshop and wear make up to cover up their faults. It's so much better than going under the knife after all.
No, it doesn't.......I believe that everyone should be treated equally under the law, I do not specify the rights of one gender over another nor do I define myself or my behaviour specifically in regard to the rights or lack thereof of one gender over another....for example I support a Woman's right for Maternity leave, I also support the right of Men to Paternity leave of equal provision.......If I was a feminist I would be concerned primarily with Woman's rights and equality, not equality of all regardless of gender.
The problem is that some groups (and wikipedia authors) attempt to redefine definitions to include more people in their specific groups....we see this across a range of causes and definitive groups who want to garner more support than they may otherwise be attributed.
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I was being sarcastic
this was what I tried to explain when he called me a feminist and he pretty much called me a liar I was being sarcastic
Oh right.....who called you a feminist, not having read every post when I made my post?
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Thats only because there is more demand amongst women - women traditionally enjoy reading magazines more than men, so they buy more, therefore the market catering to them is greater.
Nothing wrong with that?
The problem with the whole equality agenda is the notion that equality is 'the same'. It should be the same opportunities - because men and women are different and have different needs, wants, tastes and desires. Should there be an equal number of skincare products in the mens section?
There was absolutely nothing unfair about men paying more for car insurance than women and all the changes will do is increased household car insurance premiums. Nobody won that except insurance companies.
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so you think people over/under certain ages should pay the same too? statistically women who do have accidents don't do as much damage, so they don't get stung with the premiums of men who statistically do a lot more damage.
same goes for older people, they use their cars less, or whatever. and statistically younger drivers have less experience and have more accidents.
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Then he is wrong, as even the definition he gives from the OED specifies advocacy of rather than the acceptance of and that is the difference......you can accept that genders are equal with regard to how we attribute provision and consideration of their respective needs without being a feminist, as I have explained earlier.
He doesn't account for the small fact that Men and Women are different and as such in certain area's they cannot be treated equally (or more accurately the same)....it is about equal provision for their needs, wants and access to services and statutory rights based on the particular needs as defined by their gender.....but this goes for everyone, not only women and as I do not define my advocacy for equal rights and provision strictly to women then I can not be considered a feminist in the traditional sense.
I also note that he made the "I don't beleive in God, but I'm not an Atheist" fallacy as well......you can certainly not believe in a God and be something other than an Atheist..and this goes back to what I was saying regarding Groups attempting to redefine and expand those definitions in order to bolster their claims and support.
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Gender discrimination is a tricky one. I think feminism is inherently flawed because it only further distances women from men and encourages discrimination. Where there is difference, there is also conflict/power. However, gender is so heavily embedded in our societies (why do you think women "throw like girls" when the olympian women show that they're perfectly capable of throwing like men?) that it seems impossible to remove the discourse of difference.
So essentially you have 2 sides in perpetual struggle, with the aim of equality. It'll never be perfect, swinging this way and that. In theory, you should take the side of whoever is losing, but there is also a part of me that wonders why men don't take ownership of the primacy they've enjoyed for all of our existence and just run with it?
So essentially you have 2 sides in perpetual struggle, with the aim of equality. It'll never be perfect, swinging this way and that. In theory, you should take the side of whoever is losing, but there is also a part of me that wonders why men don't take ownership of the primacy they've enjoyed for all of our existence and just run with it?
But what you're saying is that the "man's way" of throwing is the correct way and that only the very best of women can throw like men. You big fat sexist pig!
But what you're saying is that the "man's way" of throwing is the correct way and that only the very best of women can throw like men. You big fat sexist pig!
Shut up whore, make me a sandwich!
In fact, that just highlights how gender roles are performed not inherent to our nature. That was me doing "man" ^^^