Does anyone use a car camera?

[TW]Fox;22152359 said:
I'm not - I think its a genuine point. Unless you are the worlds most perfect driver who has never once even exceeded a posted speed limit I'm not sure that recording everything you do on the road is particularly prudent. Especially if you get pulled for something..
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It is a valid point indeed. That's why you should get one that doesn't record your speed :).
They all have handy on/off buttons should the situation need it.
But they can save you from so many headaches in case you are unfortunate enough to be involved in an accident (cash for crash schemes anyone) that they are worth having if you drive regularly in places that "things" happen.
 
[TW]Fox;22152359 said:
I'm not - I think its a genuine point. Unless you are the worlds most perfect driver who has never once even exceeded a posted speed limit I'm not sure that recording everything you do on the road is particularly prudent. Especially if you get pulled for something..
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Surely by installing the camera the person doing so has sufficient confidence that they are careful and concerned enough for their own safety that this is necessary (ie confident that should an accident occur, it wont be them causing it though irresponsible/careless driving)

Been driving for nearly 10 years now, In that time I've had 1 minor bump that was caused by myself (bad day, total cost to correct was £100) and about 30-40 occasions where I avoided potentially very serious accidents that would not have been my fault, I've had incidents where people attempted to change lane into me, people stomping on the brakes on motorways and nearly causing pileups, lorries that nearly jackknifed, people nearly reversing into me, pulling out of junctions, near head on collisions from people in the opposite direction overtaking or just being on the wrong side of the road, etc etc

I'm no saint behind the wheel, but the odds are in my favour that the camera would be more likely to help me than not.

Id rather buy one myself and will hand over data on my own terms should it be helpful than have a device supplied to me that is streaming data about my driving or as the case is with some cameras american insurers are supplying actually filming driver/passengers and recording conversations

If you inform your insurer then you may end up committing to hand over data in the event of an accident for the sake of a discount. If you dont then would the laws regarding self incrimination not apply with regard to if you hand over data or not, and should the police view the footage without being authorised would it not then be inadmissable?
 
n3vrmind said:
If you inform your insurer then you may end up committing to hand over data in the event of an accident for the sake of a discount. If you dont then would the laws regarding self incrimination not apply with regard to if you hand over data or not, and should the police view the footage without being authorised would it not then be inadmissable?
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This is quite simple. If you crash and the police see the camera they can seize it as evidence. It is not your choice and it is perfectly legal.
 
ubersonic said:
The is overriding law on video/photo camera's, a court order is required to seize (not saying the police don't take them anyway but in that case they usually get a telling off and return them).
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No. S19 PACE is enough to seize any item in a vehicle that a constable reasonable believes will have evidence of an offence, in order to prevent it being concealed, lost, damaged, altered or destroyed.

No court order is required. In fact it's very rare court orders are required to seize evidence.
 
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Burnsy2023 said:
No. S19 PACE is enough to seize any item in a vehicle that a constable reasonable believes will have evidence of an offence, in order to prevent it being concealed, lost, damaged, altered or destroyed.

No court order is required. In fact it's very rare court orders are required to seize evidence.
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Ok got it, PACE overrides the Media Guidelines which overrides the Terrorism act. My bad but I hope its easy to see how it could e confusing lol.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
What? :confused: What "media guidelines"?
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The ACPO Media Guidelines.

IIRC it was added that officers cannot use the 2000 Terrorism act to seize a photo or video camera without a court order, hence my comment on it overiding the TA but being over-ridden by PACE

NB: Im not arguing the point here just asking the question *Edit: nvm its answered in S23*, in PACE S19 it says "The powers conferred by subsections (2), (3) and (4) below are exercisable by a constable who is lawfully on any premises." now I assume that lawfully on any premises would mean invited in or there with a warrant, but how does that apply to a car at an RTA which isn't on a premises or a premises itself?
 
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ubersonic said:
The ACPO Media Guidelines.

IIRC it was added that officers cannot use the 2000 Terrorism act to seize a photo or video camera without a court order, hence my comment on it overiding the TA but being over-ridden by PACE
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What you are referring to has the absence of reasonable suspicion that the camera contains evidence of an offence. Taking photos in a public place isn't enough for reasonable suspicion on it's own, not that S44 exists anymore.

NB: Im not arguing the point here just asking the question *Edit: nvm its answered in S23*, in PACE S19 it says "The powers conferred by subsections (2), (3) and (4) below are exercisable by a constable who is lawfully on any premises." now I assume that lawfully on any premises would mean invited in or there with a warrant, but how does that apply to a car at an RTA which isn't on a premises or a premises itself?
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Premises means any place including vehicles, tents and caravans. I
 
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