Are you a feminist?

groen said:
How could you have possible misunderstood me to such an extent? I even specifically said that "But by no means are females less capable of IT." My point was that they are just as capable but they are not predominately in IT because they are different and do not gravitate towards that sort of job. Even after a few generations of feminist based education and propaganda and single parent (mom only) families pushing pro feminist culture down the necks of young girls and males for that matter. But yet we still don't see many female scaffolders or road workers or rubbish collection etc. Why is that ? I would agree it is not because females are not capable of doing those jobs, but because females are different and do not want to do those jobs like men do.
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My apologies, I didn't read your post properly :o

However, what difference between men and women is there that makes them want to do different jobs if that really is the case?

Or could it be that society is molding women and men into being different types of people, that will be suited to different jobs?
 
I'm getting the distinct impression that 99% of people that are responding to this thread haven't read any feminist critique/theory, much less a simple article or outlining manifesto. I'm not really into feminism as a cultural force, per se, though I am of course in support of equal rights and opportunity for females in principle. Feminism as an institution and proper force is too full of internecine squabbles and doctrinal arguments. Though the French feminists (Kristeva, de Beauvoir, Cixous et al) are excellent and compelling writers.
 
not a feminist, especially since i think a lot of modern "feminists" **** on the cause.

as for differences between sexes, it's called "gender roles" and it's 99% perpetuated by society (total fact, didn't make it up at all). we're all part man part woman, depends on your genes how much of either sex you are. some girls are born with a dick, some guys have mammaries, so hormone levels in people are just as varied as everything else is in people. we're just forced into a mentality, because people are a product of their experiences and surroundings, and if surroundings have told a person all their life to be a girl or a boy, then they'll end up being one.
 
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Six7th said:
My apologies, I didn't read your post properly :o

However, what difference between men and women is there that makes them want to do different jobs if that really is the case?

Or could it be that society is molding women and men into being different types of people, that will be suited to different jobs?
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The difference is physical, emotional etc. They are fundamentally different in general.

This whole idea that society is manipulating men to be masculine and females to be a certain way is completely ridiculous. The obsession with equality is terrifying as well. People are not the same, everyone is different and everyone has different capabilities and interest. This is what makes us humans. The notion that men women are all equal is rooted in cultural marxist ideology.
 
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groen said:
The difference is physical, emotional etc. They are fundamentally different in general.
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And yet you struggle to actually define what those differences are that actually impact what work is male and what work is female. Do you think that may be because they don't actually exist?

groen said:
People are not the same, everyone is different and everyone has different capabilities and interest. This is what makes us humans.
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You see, this bit I can actually agree with, people are different. Not men are different, not women are different, but people are different. Surely that goes against what you are trying to say when you say that women are all the same in not being suited to certain roles?
 
I think you are obviously trying your hardest to misinterpret what i say and pretend to not understand it and rearrange what i say and then say that it is wrong. I have just said physical and emotional differences etc. How specific do you need me to go before you can understand what i am trying to say? Do you see a lot female builders or road workers or rubbish collectors? no. This is not because females are not capable of doing those jobs, as i have already explained. Woman in general just don't have the physical capabilities or desire to do those jobs. Of course there are exceptions, but we are not talking about the exceptions we are talking generally.

You have your mind set up RDM on this topic, there will be no convincing you. If you ever want to know the females or mangina's just make a thread about feminism they will all show themselves.
 
groen said:
I think you are obviously trying your hardest to misinterpret what i say and pretend to not understand it and rearrange what i say and then say that it is wrong.
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Alternatively you are just rubbish at expressing yourself?

groen said:
I have just said physical and emotional differences etc. How specific do you need me to go before you can understand what i am trying to say?
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Lets just take one specific case then. What physical or emotional differences make it more difficult for women to work in IT?


groen said:
Do you see a lot female builders or road workers or rubbish collectors? no. This is not because females are not capable of doing those jobs, as i have already explained. Woman in general just don't have the physical capabilities or desire to do those jobs. Of course there are exceptions, but we are not talking about the exceptions we are talking generally.
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You contradict yourself here. You say that it is not because females are not capable of doing the job and then go and say they don't have the physical capabilities to do those jobs.

groen said:
You have your mind set up RDM on this topic, there will be no convincing you.
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Present some evidence and you can convince me. So far your evidence has been "I think this" with nothing really to back it up. However, it seems that you can't really do that.
 
I don't have to convince you of anything RDM. I have made myself very clear. I suggest you reread what I have written without your preconceived notions about feminism. If you have any reasonable questions or arguments after that I may engage in this discussion further. But i refuse to repeat myself over and over so that you can use silly debate tricks and ad hominems to try and prove me wrong.
 
I'm going to open a can of worms here and say....

Women don't know what they want. Simple.

They want equality "when it suits them" - these days men just get on with it yet their own male "liberties" are being slowly stripped away. A large proportion of the Western male youth are slowly morphing into a bunch of asexual sissys who don't know who they are - or what their role is in the world. Will women be happy then to have a man that is no longer strong, protective, more "domineering" and more father-like - but more like their best-mate - too afraid to stand up when they go to the toilet in case they wet the toilet seat :D

If we are to be equal, why do women always get the kids in a breakup - why are there so many devoted fathers fighting to give their love to their lost children.

Why do most of the working married men I know do their fair share of Washing, Ironing, Cooking & shock horror - even cleaning these days - Yet hardly any women would cut the grass, put up a shelf - or think of tackling a DIY job (unless they can;t get a guy they know to do it) - or even getting their Road Tax. I even know numerous women who have never filled their car up at petrol stations.

The way women think "in general" annoys me. They think they want one thing - yet when they get it - they inadvertantly want something else unrealistic. In fact they think too much. And as was said above - most have no interests outside of bitching. They have no passtimes, they watch rubbish on TV and "in general" they lack a lot of real life skills.

And as for them being "better" at rearing kids / looking after a home. Just don't get me started on that one ;)

I still like their company though as they give me a laugh.... and I prefer to have an opposite :p And if I started treating women as equals at work (and by that - I mean expecting them to do the same job I do - and put the same amount of physical work in )..... I would probably end up in HR within a week..... as would most guys.

I will still hold doors open for them, lift things for them, help them out etc..... It just makes life so much easier when a man assumes his role and a woman plays her role.
 
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Heliospherez said:
They want equality "when it suits them".
If we are to be equal, why do women always get the kids in a breakup - why are there so many devoted fathers fighting to give their love to their lost children.
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Isn't really the woman's fault though as it is normally decided by the judge, which is still a predominately male profession...

As to the rest of your post, I actually feel a little sorry for you as it doesn't describe any of the women I know who are generally well rounded people!
 
Are they well rounded enough to say....

Clean a gutter or fight for your honour ?

Or are you well rounded enough to say....

stitch a pocket up - or bake a loaf with cinnamon and sultanas.

Do you get my point ? If they want equality - they had better start toughening up rather than males toughening down to everything.
 
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