Andrea Rossi Energy Catalyzer fusion device
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Space travel as a whole, yes. But space travel is not one invention, it is many many inventions which are indeed made available to the public.
So lolkrooton
Space travel as a whole, yes. But space travel is not one invention, it is many many inventions which are indeed made available to the public.
So lolkrooton
Where can I buy a space shuttle pls? Going to the moon, brb, lol!
You just worked that out? Much of this thread has been pointing out not so much a smell of fish, but a general look and feel as well. It's a con, and not even an original one.
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Where can I buy a space shuttle pls? Going to the moon, brb, lol!
you can buy a pen that works in zero mavity.
or just do as the russians and use a pencil
Yes...under very extreme circumstances (and usually for a very short period of time). You don't even get that fusion in the heart of a large star!
The idea that a simple chemical catalyst would enable low-temperature low-pressure fusion of a type that wouldn't even occur in the boggling high temperature and pressure of the interior of a large star is wildly implausible.
Nickel has a number of naturally occuring isotopes, so fusing nickel with hydrogen would result in a number of isotopes of copper. Most of them are unstable and would quickly undergo radioactive decay. The two isotopes of copper that are stable could not possibly account for anything like the amount of copper that is claimed to be the end product of the reaction. Also, note the term "radioactive decay". Where's the radiation?
It might sound plausible if you know very little about fusion, but it sounds extremely implausible if you know more than a very little.
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you can buy a pen that works in zero mavity.
or just do as the russians and use a pencil
yay this myth again.
while a pencil will work it is not practical in space. if the lead broke in zero mavity it would float around the spacecraft and could get into and break important electronics. i'm 99% sure the russians did not use a pencil in space but they may have tried it and found this exact problem.
also, while the americans spent a lot of money developing a pressurised pen*, according to QI, a normal biro would work in space as it does not need mavity, so a pen that will work in zero mavity isnt that special
*again, 99% sure they did but happy to be proved wrong here
you can buy a pen that works in zero mavity.
or just do as the russians and use a pencil
Urban myth, as far as I know. Good story, but probably not true. Besides, little flakes of graphite floating around in zero g amongst delicate and critical equipment is a problem.
I think a biro wouldn't write in zero g - I think they rely on mavity to have air provide pressure on the ink to keep it fed to the ball. I think that's why they don't work upside down. I might be wrong - maybe without mavity pulling the ink away from the ball they'd work upside down. The space pen uses a sealed cartridge and nitrogen to provide the pressure to feed the ink to the ball, so they'll write at any angle and under almost any conditions.
NASA spent nothing developing the pen - it was developed commercially and sold to them for very little (the inventor was selling them retail and USED BY NASA IN SPACE! was priceless for advertising).
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
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The Ecat probably consists of a solution of nickel ions, a palladium catalyst, hydrogen from electrolysis and acoustic cavitation.
Using nickel must somehow increase the collision rate.
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Given that the temperatures and pressures in the core of a large star are not enough to cause fusion of nickel and hydrogen, would acoustic cavitation be enough?
Given that 3 of the 5 naturally occuring isotopes of nickel (including the most common one) would form an unstable isotope of copper that rapidly decays, where is all the alleged copper coming from?
Given that those 3 isotopes of copper are radioactive, two of them very much so, what's happening to that radiation? The claimed shielding is not enough and it's claimed that the fuel doesn't become radioactive anyway and it certainly isn't radioactive an hour later when Rossi is fine with taking it out by hand. Only 1 of those radioactive copper isotopes has a short enough halflife to be pretty much gone in an hour.
On the one hand, current knowledge of physics.
On the other hand, a closed box that hasn't been independently tested and has no explanation.
Without evidence to the contrary, I think the former is rather more likely to be right.
I believe they (and the US) mostly used Chinagraph systems.
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Update...
http://pesn.com/2012/08/11/9602159_...Cat_Test_Report_Details_Leaked_During_NIWeek/
The hot-cat is now the forerunner for LENR devices at the moment.
http://pesn.com/2012/08/11/9602159_...Cat_Test_Report_Details_Leaked_During_NIWeek/
The hot-cat is now the forerunner for LENR devices at the moment.
I understand the scepticism of course, but why would someone run such a long con. If he's pulled in money from investors, why would you run the risk of being found out by creating test, and new devices. Ok, to get more investors I hear you say, but that's a crazy risk. Take the initial money and do one!
Also a lot of people say why doesn't he explain the science. If I can a high efficiency energy device, I wouldn't be telling a sole how it works till I've patented it, and mass produced it. Anyone who could actually do this would become the first Trillionaire.
Also a lot of people say why doesn't he explain the science. If I can a high efficiency energy device, I wouldn't be telling a sole how it works till I've patented it, and mass produced it. Anyone who could actually do this would become the first Trillionaire.
TO get more money, the long it goes on the more money he makes.
He can submit the patents and probe he was the first, he would have nothing to worry about. Patents can take 6years to be granted, do you think companies hold on until, they're granted. No, they submit and go forward. Onces it's submitted iTW in the system. Then you can also do NDA and other stuff.
He can submit the patents and probe he was the first, he would have nothing to worry about. Patents can take 6years to be granted, do you think companies hold on until, they're granted. No, they submit and go forward. Onces it's submitted iTW in the system. Then you can also do NDA and other stuff.
the longer the "tests" the device the longer the con goes on..
I hope its real, but its gotta be fake...
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Well it looks like there is another open test in october (again! Why is it always october!?), so I guess we might find some more info out then...
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