Microsoft's new tab, Surface, freezes during the presentation

ltnmzh said:
What turned me off is another tradition of MS:
1)Firstly not visionary to foresee/lead the new tech developments.
2)Only realise they missed the opportunity when it's already late to enter the market.
3)Use their financial/marketing powers and OS monopoly to break into the playground. Bullying small companies.
4)Once after acquired dominance or not, MS ignore the customer base, neglect the products. Wait and let it rot or make a mess.
5)Abandon the product and left user base in chaos and then repeat the circle again.

Examples:
IE, MSN (Live), Silverlight.

Work in progress:
Nokia
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Lol is all I can say. Wait no it's not.

1) MS came out with Tablet PCs back in 2002. Apple have effectively been riding on the coolness of the ipod for the past 10 years - had anyone else made exactly the same product as the ipad just with a different logo, it wouldn't have sold nearly as well.
2) They're getting better at that and it's not too late for tablets. The Zune they came in 5 years late, the Xbox was even later to the party, WP may be too late but the Surface is not; Android's been flailing at best but nothing's rivalled the ipad, and until there's a lockout of competition then it's never too late. It wasn't even too late for someone to compete in the ipod market, it just took a phone that could really do music well like the iphone (bar sound quality) to prove it.
3) They're hardly bullying small companies here. They're rivalling Apple who gross higher than they do at the moment. All the OEMs who've been doing Windows tablets in the pasts have been failing for the past 10 years to do anything meaningful with it, so MS have every right to come out and make it work this time.
4) Windows has dominance and they haven't left that to rot, despite the bipolar nature of the internet in loving one edition of Windows then hating the next. The Xbox has achieved marginal dominance and they certainly haven't left that. I don't see where you're somehow seeing from PRERELEASE DEMOS that MS is set to abandon its user base. Particularly this time when it's pivotal that they keep it going as Windows Phone and Surface both have a huge role to play in the success of Windows 8.
5) The last thing they properly abandoned was Kin. They abandoned Zune but that was just to integrate it into Windows Phones which I have no problem with. Fine, Apple have kept ipods going despite the iphone but then iphones are crazily expensive and Apple already had a total monopoly on the mp3 market. Again, I don't see how you're going to say that they're continuing a tradition of abandoning products, when the product hasn't been released yet.

As for your examples:
IE's still going and I'm currently using IE9. I'd use Opera but it's a bit buggy nowadays on my laptop, Firefox is bloated, Safari looks really dull and Chrome still doesn't have proper ICC profile support. I hated IE up until IE9 but even if you hate IE, you can't deny that MS have really pushed IE9 with adverts etc. and have definitely upped their game in terms of development.

MSN wasn't abandoned. They've kept it running, they just know that nobody will swap to a yahoo clone from google, which is why they pushed bing (and in their latest revisions have made a serious attempt to make Bing actually better than google rather than an also-ran-but-did-the-exact-same-thing)

Silverlight... Well to be brutally honest who really cares? Silverlight just wasn't enough to get people to swap from Flash without serious backing from windows and they had to fight a hell of a lot of antitrust cases if they used windows to push silverlight. HTML is moving on so why should they support it?

Of course from your slightly flawed english I'd guess you're just foaming at the mouth as an anti-MS, possibly even Apple fanboy.
 
Ksanti said:
Lol is all I can say. Wait no it's not.

1) MS came out with Tablet PCs back in 2002. Apple have effectively been riding on the coolness of the ipod for the past 10 years - had anyone else made exactly the same product as the ipad just with a different logo, it wouldn't have sold nearly as well.
2) They're getting better at that and it's not too late for tablets. The Zune they came in 5 years late, the Xbox was even later to the party, WP may be too late but the Surface is not; Android's been flailing at best but nothing's rivalled the ipad, and until there's a lockout of competition then it's never too late. It wasn't even too late for someone to compete in the ipod market, it just took a phone that could really do music well like the iphone (bar sound quality) to prove it.
3) They're hardly bullying small companies here. They're rivalling Apple who gross higher than they do at the moment. All the OEMs who've been doing Windows tablets in the pasts have been failing for the past 10 years to do anything meaningful with it, so MS have every right to come out and make it work this time.
4) Windows has dominance and they haven't left that to rot, despite the bipolar nature of the internet in loving one edition of Windows then hating the next. The Xbox has achieved marginal dominance and they certainly haven't left that. I don't see where you're somehow seeing from PRERELEASE DEMOS that MS is set to abandon its user base. Particularly this time when it's pivotal that they keep it going as Windows Phone and Surface both have a huge role to play in the success of Windows 8.
5) The last thing they properly abandoned was Kin. They abandoned Zune but that was just to integrate it into Windows Phones which I have no problem with. Fine, Apple have kept ipods going despite the iphone but then iphones are crazily expensive and Apple already had a total monopoly on the mp3 market. Again, I don't see how you're going to say that they're continuing a tradition of abandoning products, when the product hasn't been released yet.

As for your examples:
IE's still going and I'm currently using IE9. I'd use Opera but it's a bit buggy nowadays on my laptop, Firefox is bloated, Safari looks really dull and Chrome still doesn't have proper ICC profile support. I hated IE up until IE9 but even if you hate IE, you can't deny that MS have really pushed IE9 with adverts etc. and have definitely upped their game in terms of development.

MSN wasn't abandoned. They've kept it running, they just know that nobody will swap to a yahoo clone from google, which is why they pushed bing (and in their latest revisions have made a serious attempt to make Bing actually better than google rather than an also-ran-but-did-the-exact-same-thing)

Silverlight... Well to be brutally honest who really cares? Silverlight just wasn't enough to get people to swap from Flash without serious backing from windows and they had to fight a hell of a lot of antitrust cases if they used windows to push silverlight. HTML is moving on so why should they support it?

Of course from your slightly flawed english I'd guess you're just foaming at the mouth as an anti-MS, possibly even Apple fanboy.
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I admit my writing was flawed. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of MS but not Apple fanboy either.

My view toward MS is formulated after years using their products and developing software on/for their products.

Care to elaborate a bit more on the Bing stuff? I occasionally use Bing but always I go back to google.
 
ltnmzh said:
The problem is that MS doesn't want any non-IE browsers to be on Windows RT.
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They aren't letting anyone else use the Desktop on RT. That's what Mozilla and Google were complaining about. Both Chrome and Firefox will be present at launch, on Metro. The Chrome build was previewed last week.
 
ltnmzh said:
Care to elaborate a bit more on the Bing stuff? I occasionally use Bing but always I go back to google.
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Well to their credit they're actually trying to change the way we search by implementing stuff like social searching etc. While tbh I don't think those updates were needed or that useful, I can appreciate they're trying to improve on the established norm, something nobody's tried to do in a long time as Google's just sat at the top.
 
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