Jimmy Carr overcome by grief

EddScott said:
Don't look at me, I know Carr hasn't done anything wrong. I just got words wrong.

But again, many thanks :)



Because I got the words mixed up? Sweet.
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You'll be less likely to make the same mistake in the future, so you are welcome. :p
 
This is modern Britain for you: a bunch of posh, upper-class Little Lord Fauntleroy's pointing fingers and accusing one another of being tax cheats, whilst the rest of the country gets all of its services cut to shreds.
 
fez said:
Quite surprised just how morally void a lot of people on here are. If you are earning a few million a year and paying the same amount of tax as someone on the minimum wage then you are taking the ****. You might not be breaking the law but you are purposely trying to avoid paying your portion of the tax burden.

I really hate the argument of "its not illegal so its ok".

We all judge people based on their moral compasses and yet we decide that avoiding tax is alright. You meet a guy in the street who has 7 women on the go at the same time and is sleeping with all of them without protection. Obviously he is a fine chap and shouldn't be derided for his behaviour as its completely legal.

I genuinely wouldn't evade tax if I was earning hundreds of thousands. This country has done plenty for me and if I was earning that much, I wouldn't need more money. This country would be a better place if people didn't equate the law to morality.
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I love black and white posters like you, makes for many laughs. You're either morally void (lol at the ridiculous drama inherent in this phrase) or a moral champion, there's seemingly no in-between.

Dodging out of paying more tax than you have to does not make you a bad person. Sure, it means you are being cheeky with paying a disproportionate amount of tax vs your earnings compared to many hard working people who do not have the knouse or opportunity to do likewise (I imagine the vast, vast majority would pay less if they could though)... but does it make you a bad person, and "morally void"? No.

The fact is the government does not give the slightest **** about you, whether you live or die, and only wants to take as much from you as it possibly can via the tax system. It will spend some of the money you give it on things you can see the benefit from in small ways, before wasting most of the rest on badly planned and badly run national institutions, projects and then of course paying out millions to jobless benefits scum, serial baby factories, housing aid for immigrants/refugees, the majority which will never contribute anything meaningful to society themselves. You will see sod all thanks or benefit to paying an extra 10 or 20% tax, other than of course your warm fuzzy feeling that your delusionally enlightened conscience gives you. ;)

Unless you are blessed with one family or partner in a million, only one person in this life will really look out for you and your bank balance, and that is you. Look out for yourself, and don't let anyone take more than they can legally get. Is that a cynical view towards our government? Yes, undoubtedly, because that's the world we live in. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo land.

The above view on taxes does not stop you being a nice person, or doing one of a gazillion other things in this world that nice people generally do. :)
 
Jesus, listening to some of you it sounds as thought the UK is a wasteland of the professionally unemployed on one side and tax-dodging millionaires on the other.

The majority of the country isn't like that – it's just that those are the people we hear the most about through the media.
 
Jmmy Carr has paid no more tax than legally obliged to. I have no issue with this. It's down to government to close them but that would hack off certain donors.

Who here would pay more than they were legally obliged to ? I wouldn't and I doubt stockhausen would either but will be stood corrected if not.
 
fez said:
Quite surprised just how morally void a lot of people on here are. If you are earning a few million a year and paying the same amount of tax as someone on the minimum wage then you are taking the ****. You might not be breaking the law but you are purposely trying to avoid paying your portion of the tax burden.

I really hate the argument of "its not illegal so its ok".

We all judge people based on their moral compasses and yet we decide that avoiding tax is alright. You meet a guy in the street who has 7 women on the go at the same time and is sleeping with all of them without protection. Obviously he is a fine chap and shouldn't be derided for his behaviour as its completely legal.

I genuinely wouldn't evade tax if I was earning hundreds of thousands. This country has done plenty for me and if I was earning that much, I wouldn't need more money. This country would be a better place if people didn't equate the law to morality.
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Do you have an ISA?

Do you pay into a pension?
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Jmmy Carr has paid no more tax than legally obliged to. I have no issue with this. It's down to government to close them but that would hack off certain donors.

Who here would pay more than they were legally obliged to ? I wouldn't and I doubt stockhausen would either but will be stood corrected if not.
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That is by no means certain. There was an accountant on the radio this morning stating that these K2 type schemes are almost certainly not effective (note: not illegal) and HMRC had been successful in claiming tax revenue from similar schemes in the past. What would you call a loan where the borrower and the lender agree it doesn't have to be paid back? I'd call it income for the "borrower".

The problem with these aggressive tax-avoidance schemes isn't that it's not a case of paying more tax than your legally obliged to, it's a case of artificially using offshore vehicles to hide income and pay less tax than you're legally obliged to. Why would Carr have apologised if he thought he'd done nothing wrong?
 
stockhausen said:
To be honest, No. I don't think that I would ever get involved in these elaborate and clearly immoral tax dodging schemes under any circumstances but maybe that's just me; must be something to do with my background and upbringing or something.
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No ISA's etc?


scorza said:
hy would Carr have apologised if he thought he'd done nothing wrong?
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Because his manager said "jimmy say sorry so we can get you back on the bbc/tour with less hassle".
 
He has possibly apologised because his PR team have probably advised him to given the current climate. He hasn't broken the law and this is a mountain out of a molehill. If DC thinks this so morally wrong then close the loopholes.
 
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