Jimmy Carr overcome by grief

Monkeymatt said:
There is nothing wrong with it.
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Really? Why not? Because it's legal?

Apartheid was legal but it wasn't right and those that persecuted black people aren't irreproachable just because it was legal at the time.

It seems that you and others are suggesting that something can go from being 100% immaculate to being 100% obscene by simply changing the law.
 
I'd do the same damn thing he's done. Fed up of people minding other peoples business when you've got the ones in power you should really be watching playing everyone like puppets.
 
I am always reluctant to endorse the views of Tory Boy Dave but I am forced to applaud this comment by him on Carr's "straightforward tax avoidance" to ITV News:
I think some of these schemes - and I think particularly of the Jimmy Carr scheme - I have had time to read about and I just think this is completely wrong. People work hard, they pay their taxes, they save up to go to one of his shows. They buy the tickets. He is taking the money from those tickets and he, as far as I can see, is putting all of that into some very dodgy tax avoiding schemes. That is wrong. There is nothing wrong with people planning their tax affairs to invest in their pension and plan for their retirement - that sort of tax management is fine. But some of these schemes we have seen are quite frankly morally wrong. The government is acting by looking at a general anti-avoidance law but we do need to make progress on this. It is not fair on hard working people who do the right thing and pay their taxes to see these sorts of scams taking place.
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Hopefully Cameron will actually get his act sorted out and carry through on his assertion that "we are all in this together"?
 
Panzerbjorn said:
Really? Why not? Because it's legal?

Apartheid was legal but it wasn't right and those that persecuted black people aren't irreproachable just because it was legal at the time.

It seems that you and others are suggesting that something can go from being 100% immaculate to being 100% obscene by simply changing the law.
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Tax avoidance and Apartheid comparisons? umm, ok

How would you stop what Jimmy Carr did?
 
Panzerbjorn said:
Really? Why not? Because it's legal?

Apartheid was legal but it wasn't right and those that persecuted black people aren't irreproachable just because it was legal at the time.

It seems that you and others are suggesting that something can go from being 100% immaculate to being 100% obscene by simply changing the law.
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I have an idea. Why don't you parrot the same thing 20 other twonks in the thread already have done, and make a ridiculously over the top comparison/reference to race or murder. Oh wait, you just did. ;)
 
Good on Jimmy Carr, the way the government wastes millions is the real disgusting crime here. £3000 each on trees. £50 for a lightblub. Millions wasted on benefit cheats and life-long dolers. Until the government sorts themselves out i would do the same thing as Jimmy Carr, I'd rather give the money to charity.
 
Richdog said:
I have an idea. Why don't you parrot the same thing 20 other twonks in the thread already have done, and make a ridiculously over the top comparison/reference to race or murder. Oh wait, you just did. ;)
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Muffin` said:
Tax avoidance and Apartheid comparisons? umm, ok

How would you stop what Jimmy Carr did?
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It was an example to show that there is a scale to the moral landscape and also to show that just because something is legal, it's not necessarily morally just.

I was not suggesting that the two are commensurate.

The fact that you think there is a difference between Apartheid and tax avoidance shows you agree in this simple premise, and yet you maintain that in your black and white world there is only legal and illegal...

Muffin' The simple answer is to close the loopholes that allow such activity to take place. How one goes about actually doing that I have no idea.
 
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Panzerbjorn said:
It was an example to show that there is a scale to the moral landscape and also to show that just because something is legal, it's not necessarily morally just.

I was not suggesting that the two are commensurate.

The fact that you think there is a difference between Apartheid and tax avoidance shows you agree in this simple premise, and yet you maintain that in your black and white world there is only legal and illegal...

Muffin' The simple answer is to close the loopholes that allow such activity to take place. How one goes about actually doing that I have no idea.
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There is no black and white, thats the whole point of the argument (sigh) against all of the people in this thread saying that Jimmy Carr is satan reborn for trying to dodge taxes. It's not saintly behaviour, but really... if you want ot point fingers at rich people then start with the government who run the country and have the cheek to point people like Jimmy out, and all the while continuing to act like the semi-crooks that they are.

Expenses scams, second homes, hypocrasy in almost all of their actions, their failure to disclose their own tax situations... they have been milking this country for their own benefit decades, and yet only at times like this when its reported in the tabloids that a celeb who really earned his right to be where he is today, is legally evading full tax measures, do people bleat how unfair the system is.

The morality arguments of the people attacking Jimmy Carr are much weaker than the ones defending him, when you take into account a heap of factors such as scams MP's have been running for years, how much of our taxes gets wasted on ****, and how when all is said and done 99% of the population (including nice people) would do the same in his place. The morality issue is purely subjective in this instance imo, especially weighed up against some of the nutty comparisons thrown its way.
 
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