nope - you think there won't be diplomatic pressure as a result of this.... I'd say its very likely that he will not be executed and I don't think it will require too much persuading from the British embassy - we can wait and see if you like....
British Man, 21, Faces Death in UAE
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nope - you think there won't be diplomatic pressure as a result of this.... I'd say its very likely that he will not be executed and I don't think it will require too much persuading from the British embassy - we can wait and see if you like....
Probably not, but I believe that licenced stores = vastly reduced street dealers. Dosage and quality controll of the drugs would also be vastly safer than people having to get their fix from careless street dealers.
Its very arrogant to say we are better than them , our laws are 'right' without getting into a morality battle I feel
Do the crime do the time,
Unless he is clinically unfit you can't plead ignorance
May be his first time or he may have made vast amounts doing this, regardless the law is the law.
Their society has zero tolerance, just different to us, not wrong.I wouldn't go to a country like that because its just too different to the west
With stories like this people are to quick to say 'im right they are wrong'
Do the crime do the time,
Unless he is clinically unfit you can't plead ignorance
May be his first time or he may have made vast amounts doing this, regardless the law is the law.
Their society has zero tolerance, just different to us, not wrong.I wouldn't go to a country like that because its just too different to the west
With stories like this people are to quick to say 'im right they are wrong'
I think its pretty flawed to go along with the notion that all societies are equal but just different....
For an extreme example would you say it was arrogant in the 1940s to criticise Nazi Germany - their society just having a zero tolerance to Jews - just different to us not wrong etc...?
I'm not saying the west is perfect - far from it, but as far as this particular area is concerned our society is better than theirs.
I tend to think you can get into a morality battle with a state like the UAE and stand a good chance on coming out ahead on points.
Here is someone who spent two months in jail (she was cleared) as she had been given a codeine injection for a bad back possession in UAE includes having drugs in your bloodstream.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4200952.stm
So far, so not very moral.
Here is someone who spent two months in jail (she was cleared) as she had been given a codeine injection for a bad back possession in UAE includes having drugs in your bloodstream.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4200952.stm
So far, so not very moral.
This has nothing to do with our government. The numpty went to a country well known for executing drug dealers ... and sold drugs.
Most of the middle east already hates the west and now you want to tell them how to uphold their own laws? Awesome idea.
What are you on about "it's not a small amount"? It was less than an ounce - an ounce isn't much in weed, really. £260's worth of drug dealing = death sentence? Is that the price on a human life now - about a week's earnings on minimum wage? Stupid comments in this thread.
Yes, he is obviously foolish to be dealing drugs in a country with draconian drug-laws. But he isn't dealing 'serious' drugs, nor is he dealing 'serious' amounts. They haven't caught Pablo Escobar here shifting kilograms of coke - it's some poor 21 year old kid (young and stupid, no doubt) shifting paltry street amounts for pocket change.
The death penalty is a barbarism; applied in this way it is a tragedy.
Well I'm glad you're not employed by the foreign office...
I wonder what the reaction from GD would have been to that story without the details - i.e. British woman held in UAE prison after opiates found in her blood...
'silly bint, she knew the laws' etc...
Whilst this is in some ways true you clearly don't have a very diplomatic mind. This guy is not a citizen of the country with insanely heavy-handed drug laws. He is a UK citizen - which should grant him certain basic human rights and call for help back home in the UK (and in the EU, generally). It is just not humanly acceptable to execute someone for dealing £250 of a low-grade, harmless substance. There is no way that the harm/damage he was doing to their society is proportionate with the punishment of taking his life.
It's hardly a proportionate sentence, even if you took the death penalty out of it and made it a hugely long period in prison.
The example above of the woman imprisoned because of a painkilling injection really demonstrates they have a completely OTT response to the issue.
Shame they don't spend a bit more time on their response to human trafficking and slave labour.
The example above of the woman imprisoned because of a painkilling injection really demonstrates they have a completely OTT response to the issue.
Shame they don't spend a bit more time on their response to human trafficking and slave labour.
"Clear price" is an extremely problematic bit of language, there.
£250 is a clear enough price to kill someone for you?
Less than an ounce of a controlled substance - petty change, in other words?
It's the equivalent of hanging someone for speeding in the UK.
So basically diplomatic immunity against laws in another country when committing crimes in that country for everyone then eh?
in terms of drugs and related issues? really?
He sold drugs to a Police Officer, I'm not going to bother protesting our government to have him extradited.
Similar things happen all the time in Thailand and Indonesia. The difference with UAE is that they try and entice workers and tourists into their 'Western' style Las Vegas world in Dubai. Its the seriousness of how they deal with crimes that reminds you how different it is to Western countries and something expats and tourists would do well to remember.
Errrrrr, do you know what analogy means? Do you know how to construct them?
Speeding in the UK does not carry the death sentence. It carries a fine and/or points or a ban. Dealing drugs in the UAE does carry the death penalty, as such that is the price you should expect to pay for committing that crime.
How is his punishment the equivalent of being sentenced to death for speeding in the UK? Hint - It's not.
How does the cost or amount of drugs excuse the crime? Hint 2 - It does not.
Clear price is not a problematic bit of language at all. UAE - Deal drugs. Death penalty. What is problematic about that?
Thailand - Bad mouth the King - 20 years in prison
Thailand - Drugs? Yeah, Bangkok hill for you also.
Why are you trying to rationalise his sentence for a crime he committed based on that crimes perception elsewhere in the world? It does not matter what the perceived harm of the crime is, he committed it, in a country that carries a very clear penalty for doing so.
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In terms of our response to them, yes. Unless you're silly enough to agree that executing someone over a cannabis deal and imprisoning people based on them being injected pain killers in hospital or for a poppy seed found on the tread of their shoe is reasonable?