The PC component industry needs to wake up

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Up to ten chipsets per CPU?? really?

CPUs make no sense, some 2 year old CPUs give better performance (x6 1090t vs 61xx series)???

2,3,4,6,8+ cores, intel i3, i5, i7, model numbers make no mention of cores, also i5-2xxx is usually better than i5-3xx/i5-8xx etc, more confusion (I know it's 2 core vs quad). Hats off to AMD for common sense marketing, 41xx, 61xx, 81xx, even though their older CPUs are better.

GPUs make no sense, ATI 5xxx series gives better performance than many 6xxx, some 4xxx give better performance than both? Nvidia 4xx series outperforms 5xx and 6xx series, but not always.

Please reboot your model numbers GPU/CPU makers and make them relevant to performance, construction content and price.

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mcast said:
Up to ten chipsets per CPU?? really?

CPUs make no sense, some 2 year old CPUs give better performance (x6 1090t vs 61xx series)???

2,3,4,6,8+ cores, intel i3, i5, i7, model numbers make no mention of cores, also i5-2xxx is usually better than i5-3xx/i5-8xx etc, more confusion (I know it's 2 core vs quad). Hats off to AMD for common sense marketing, 41xx, 61xx, 81xx, even though their older CPUs are better.

GPUs make no sense, ATI 5xxx series gives better performance than many 6xxx, some 4xxx give better performance than both? Nvidia 4xx series outperforms 5xx and 6xx series, but not always.

Please reboot your model numbers GPU/CPU makers and make them relevant to performance, construction content and price.

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You're not being serious?

They are trying to make it as easy as possible.

Example: i5 2500k The 2*** denotes its 2nd gen therefore i5 3570k, the 3*** denotes its 3rd generation.

Thats how GPU's work too..

Base these comment on facts, please.
 
7850 - Series 7 - main group 8 - sub group 50

5970 - Series 5 - main group 9 - sub group 70

GTX460 - Series 4 - main group 60

Gtx690 - Series 6 - main group 90

Main group denotes the performance bracket with each series being an incremental increase. sub group denotes relative performance within the sub group Ie. 70 is better than 50 and Ti is better than not having Ti

Tbh i think it is an incredibly intuitive system, although it does open you up to abuse from people suggesting a 6450 is better than a 5850, have seen it happen in currys and flamed the guy until his manager apologized and gave the customer a £50 voucher for the trouble.
 
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense with so many gen's current at once and the numbers do not really mean anything. OK so the xx-2xxx and the xx-3xxx are generations whereas the i5-750 and i7-920 etc were 1st gen WTF.
All offer much the same desktop performance and just require matching to a compatible chipset.
At least currently we have only one type of ram DDR3 and one spec of storage SATA if we ignore differences between II and III.

I do not think processor numbering is meant to be clearly understood as in cores, MHz terms. I mean why i5 and i7, why not i4 and i6. It is marketing like BMW using model numbers beginning with 3 and 5
 
I agree to an extent with OP,Without researching the market for certain time, checking reviews and benchmarks you would be lost. Especially now when ghz/mhz and amount of cores dont seem to mean much at all... You could even be tricked into buying Q6600 over i3 2100 (yes they still do sell q6600) Just because it is a quad instead of duo... Although 2100 beats q6600 in benchmarks easily. Same with AMD 8120 and 8150, 8 cores but still loose to intel quads even though they have 2wise ghz power.
 
Lazder said:
I agree to an extent with OP,Without researching the market for certain time, checking reviews and benchmarks you would be lost. Especially now when ghz/mhz and amount of cores dont seem to mean much at all... You could even be tricked into buying Q6600 over i3 2100 (yes they still do sell q6600) Just because it is a quad instead of duo... Although 2100 beats q6600 in benchmarks easily. Same with AMD 8120 and 8150, 8 cores but still loose to intel quads even though they have 2wise ghz power.
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Well that's how high street stores make money, they rely on a steady stream of morons such as the OP to come in clueless about what they are purchasing. If they took an hour or two to do a bit of minor research on the subject(s) before hand they might realise two things:

1) The people who work in high street stores are just as clueless as the people they are trying to sell to.
2) High street stores charge at best 40% more than online retailers.

It sounds to me like the OP burnt some cash on hardware which turned out to be sub-par to what he expected simply because he didn't bother to do some research.
 
It's not just the PC industry, audio/visual is the same. Just spend some time researching before you buy, otherwise you'll most likely buy something you'll regret.

Example would be wattage for stereo equipment, the higher the better is the thing people go on...Even though it's complete rubbish.
 
BuToNz said:
It's not just the PC industry, audio/visual is the same. Just spend some time researching before you buy, otherwise you'll most likely buy something you'll regret.

Example would be wattage for stereo equipment, the higher the better is the thing people go on...Even though it's complete rubbish.
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Good example of that is subwoofers, a few of my friends have subwoofers rated in at 1000, even 1500 watts in their rooms. I bought a 300watt BK Monolith, to put it simply it outperforms all of theirs in every single way, and it cost less.

CPU's can be the same, buying an 8core CPU for gaming is fairly pointless, and a 4 core with or without hyperthreading will often overclock higher and yield better results.
 
snedie said:
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You're calling people clueless morons, you're obviously deeply insecure by your own lack of intelligence or young, either way you automatically forfeit your chance to be listened to.

I understand most here are enthusiasts, I used to be also, until I realised wasting time and money really didn't add that much to my gaming/working experience.

The general point is most non enthusiasts i.e. the bulk of buyers are left confused by the system. I've spent a good 4 hours reading and get the general idea of what's being sold, but why do I have to spend 4hrs+? The forum isn't full of spec checks and recommended setups because it's easy to buy some PC components and have them work seamlessly.

"Tbh i think it is an incredibly intuitive system, although it does open you up to abuse from people suggesting a 6450 is better than a 5850, have seen it happen in currys and flamed the guy until his manager apologized and gave the customer a £50 voucher for the trouble. "

If it's so intuitive tell me why should a 6450 be far worse than a 5850, when logically it should be the other way round? you just gave a perfect example.
 
Are you asking AMD to rename their processors to " AMD Its not as good as intel's but are bit cheaper". Like the others have said, this is not present in any technology sector at the moment.
 
mcast said:
You're calling people clueless morons, you're obviously deeply insecure by your own lack of intelligence or young, either way you automatically forfeit your chance to be listened to.
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Agreed.

He thinks £350 is the min you need to spend on a GPU for low resolution :confused:
 
Taking ATI/AMD graphics cards as an example they had/have the following:

  • 4350, 4550, 4650, 4670, 4730, 4770, 4830, 4850, 4860, 4870, 4890, 4850 X2 and 4870 X2
  • 5450, 5550, 5570, 5670, 5750, 5770, 5830, 5850, 5870 and 5970
  • 6350, 6450, 6570, 6670, 6750, 6770, 6790, 6930, 6950, 6970 and 6990
  • 7350, 7450, 7470, 7570, 7670, 7750, 7770, 7850, 7870, 7950 and 7970
Not all available in the UK and apologies if I've missed any.

Perhaps the OP can tell us how he thinks they should have been numbered to "make them relevant to performance, construction content and price".
 
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