Scientology - Who's really mad

ethan said:
Need I draw comparisons with Buddhism and the Vedas?
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Nope, the confirmation you are referring to the entirety of Scientology and not just the small part you quoted Castiel as describing. The context makes more sense.

Concerning the latter I was referring to myself and Castiel etc
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Haha, in a weird way that's ironic, a group with a single mouthpiece. Very apt for this thread :p
 
I think the whole Katy Holmes/Tom Cruise divorce affair is going to put the scientologists under a very bright and unwanted spotlight. There's already been plenty about it in the media.
 
Pudney said:
Nope, the confirmation you are referring to the entirety of Scientology and not just the small part you quoted Castiel as describing. The context makes more sense.



Haha, in a weird way that's ironic, a group with a single mouthpiece. Very apt for this thread :p
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?????Trolling?

They effectively are implying that our spiritual self (Thetan) is in fact an expression of God who has forgotten that they were a God in the first place
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A God force is common to all religions in one sense or another?
 
ethan said:
Very much sounds like some of the religions we can think of ;)
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Until you realise that was an evolution of L Ron Hubbards initial cosmogony of Galactic Overlords and Volcano deathcamps and so on, which read like a pulp science fiction novel.....something that he knew a lot about.

The foundations and epistemology of most mainstream religions are vastly different and far more developed than those of Scientology, and the reason you can see similarity within their beliefs is because Scientology has been purposely manipulated and redesigned to mirror traditional philosophical and theological positions in an attempt to garner a semblance of acceptance as a bone fide religion rather than simply another cult. it has had mixed success.
 
Castiel said:
Until you realise that was an evolution of L Ron Hubbards initial cosmogony of Galactic Overlords and Volcano deathcamps and so on, which read like a pulp science fiction novel.....something that he knew a lot about.

The foundations and epistemology of most mainstream religions are vastly different and far more developed than those of Scientology, and the reason you can see similarity within their beliefs is because Scientology has been purposely manipulated and redesigned to mirror traditional philosophical and theological positions in an attempt to garner a semblance of acceptance as a bone fide religion rather than simply another cult. it has had mixed success.
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I agree completely.
 
Lysander said:
I fail to see how that makes any difference.
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Because times change. About the same time the religions you mentioned were validating mass slaughter it was perfectly acceptable to have children work from an early age, if we're going to live in the past can we go back to all our old ways?

If not then surely contemporary examples are only relevant. If you go far enough back you can find counter examples to anything. Which is just ridiculous.


What? So multiple deaths are par for the course in large religions?

So how many deaths have been accountable through Buddhism and Taoism?
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Buddhism? Never heard of the Warrior Monks in Japan? You could say the Samurai were all influenced by Buddhism. So how many did they kill in the many wars they had?

As for Taoism, militant sects instigated several rebellions in China. I don't know figures, but then i don't know figures for the Crusades etc.
 
hurfdurf said:
What about us Atheists who think they are all equally crazy, pray tell, what should we do?!
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I think atheists should think about how they can possibly reject something completely that they could never possibly test for and therefore take a long look at themselves and see the hypocrisy in their own leap of faith. Furthermore, they should know that by assuming that there is anything other than their own conscious thoughts they are taking a leap of faith and displaying a level of belief above and beyond that which they castigate religious people for.

I think they should then just join us agnostics, sit and the fence and laugh at all the crazies trying to argue for an empirical answer to something that falls outside of postivistic assessment.

And I think Tom Cruise has got to be gay ... I mean seriously have you watch Top Gun recently, how I didn't see it at the time I don't know.
 
Lysander said:
I fail to see how that makes any difference.



What? So multiple deaths are par for the course in large religions?

So how many deaths have been accountable through Buddhism and Taoism?
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I don't know, but I imagine there have been some as within any part of society there is likelyhood of crime/murders to happen. With Scientology there has been an unproportional amount of crime.
Over 100 deaths have been associated with Scientology and it's a horrible organization. Just watch this
 
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I really don't understand how people get sucked into religon. Some so called intelligent people i know who should know better are also its victim.
 
Well yes. Be a rubbish religion without one.
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Except that this (Scientology) reads like a rubbish one with one. Give me the eightfold path to the eight Dynamics anyday.
 
Pudney said:
Buddhism? Never heard of the Warrior Monks in Japan? You could say the Samurai were all influenced by Buddhism. So how many did they kill in the many wars they had?
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The Samurai were predominantly followers of a form of Shinto and Confucianism.....They had a very strict moral and chivalric code we know as Bushido. Zen Buddhism influenced parts of Bushido, but they generally relate to the non-Martial portions of the code and the Bushido is contradictory insofar that it promotes a dichotomy of peaceful philosophy and martial virtue.

Bushido doesn't promote murder, either of the individual or the masses and has a very permanent punishment for any Samurai who fails to uphold both the tenets and virtues of Bushido or doesn't conduct themselves in accordance with the fairness, justice, charity and so on that Bushido demands.....many people think it is just about a set of martial rules designed for disipline and fighting efficiency and it is much, much more.
 
Xordium said:
I think they should then just join us agnostics, sit and the fence and laugh at all the crazies trying to argue for an empirical answer to something that falls outside of postivistic assessment.
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:D

Well expressed......especially from my position on the metaphorical fence.
 
There's no difference between the religions. They're all largely stories perhaps based extremely loosely on reality (to add credibility, like the best lies are).

Ultimately they're stories latched onto people who are incapable of thinking critically and rationally, incapable of taking responsibility for their own lives and actions and too big headed, narcissistic and self-indulgent to realise that they really don't matter much at all in the universe.
 
Johnnytoxic said:
Christianity / Islam etc - Invisible Gods in the sky.
Scientology - People that live on Earth are reincarnated aliens who used to live on other planets.

Forget about the origins of each. But if you were asked what was the more likely scenario, what would you say?

Which is the crazy religion now?
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I am a Christian, and I do not believe in 'invisible gods in the sky'. I may be mad, but at least I am not an idiot ;)
 
I would opine that the ideas behind most religions are all equally likely so don't really consider any nuttier than the others. That said with the more modern origins of Scientology it is somewhat easier to dismiss.
 
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