Higgs Boson Found

RetiredGreyFox · 5 Jul 2012 at 19:06

For anybody who still doesn't understand it Oliver Renault linked to this earlier and I'm now an expert in Higgs and his Boson.
Skip to 34 secs because the first bit was painful for me to listen to.

http://www.universetoday.com/96122/whats-a-higgs-boson-anyway/

Spook187 · 5 Jul 2012 at 21:42

Mr Dimple it's a long shot as you are the Documentary man

Maybe something you missed.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/

Glaucus · 5 Jul 2012 at 21:51

Dimple said:
For anybody who still doesn't understand it Oliver Renault linked to this earlier and I'm now an expert in Higgs and his Boson.
Skip to 34 secs because the first bit was painful for me to listen to.

http://www.universetoday.com/96122/whats-a-higgs-boson-anyway/

Good video, thanks.

Grandmaster Fap! · 5 Jul 2012 at 22:02

Spook187 said:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/djfoggys/602518_4338685589971_1098962090_n.jpg

"We don't allow faster than light neutrinos in here" says the bartender. A Higgs Boson walks into a bar.

Spook187 · 5 Jul 2012 at 22:16

Castor said:
"We don't allow faster than light neutrinos in here" says the bartender. A Higgs Boson walks into a bar.

hehe chuckle

Gackt · 5 Jul 2012 at 22:17

Dimple said:
Totally agree, he didn't mention dry roasted nuts or smartphones either.
Useless.

Reductio ad absurdum.

It's not really the same, is it?

You'd think mentioning the process by which everything around you exists and is formed would be quite a pertinent bit of information. Dry roasted nuts or smartphones is quite clearly not pertinent.

Of course the religious will angle around it by saying "Oh he didn't need to tell people such things" or "it will confuse them".

It's just another discrepancy that will be brushed aside as religion, or misguided faith, or whatever you want to call it, 'adapts' to the argument rather than actually meet it, and attempt to defeat it.

AndrewNR · 5 Jul 2012 at 22:59

Of course the religious will angle around it by saying "Oh he didn't need to tell people such things" or "it will confuse them".

Blasphemy! By the power of grey skull, I'm going to hunt you down.

Castiel · 5 Jul 2012 at 23:02

Gackt said:
Reductio ad absurdum.

It's not really the same, is it?

You'd think mentioning the process by which everything around you exists and is formed would be quite a pertinent bit of information. Dry roasted nuts or smartphones is quite clearly not pertinent.

Of course the religious will angle around it by saying "Oh he didn't need to tell people such things" or "it will confuse them".

It's just another discrepancy that will be brushed aside as religion, or misguided faith, or whatever you want to call it, 'adapts' to the argument rather than actually meet it, and attempt to defeat it.

Actually some religious scriptures, particularly some Hindu texts do arguably refer to the Universe being woven together in strings (string thory), multiverse theories are mentioned in various religious texts such as Buddhism, Islam and Hinduism and there are al kinds of texts that can be interpreted according to modern knowledge.

However the point of the Bible is not to tell people how the world was made, but why and that is a fundamental difference between religion and science. The Bible is about teaching a Christian about their place in the world, helping them form and maintain their spiritual relationship with their God and themselves. It isn't an instruction manual for the creation of the Universe.

Augustine (one of the fellas responsible for the Bible) said:
In matters that are so obscure and far beyond our vision, we find in Holy Scripture passages which can be interpreted in very different ways without prejudice to the faith we have received. In such cases, we should not rush in headlong and so firmly take our stand on one side that, if further progress in the search for truth justly undermines this position, we too fall with it."

So this line of discussion in a thread about a Scientific discovery that says nothing of God or the relationship of people with whatever spirituality they choose is pretty much redundant.

Spook187 · 5 Jul 2012 at 23:55

[QUOTESo this line of discussion in a thread about a Scientific discovery that says nothing of God or the relationship of people with whatever spirituality they choose is pretty much redundant.[/QUOTE]

Correct,but why are the bible nutjobs saying it's the god particle,i don't like the way they have taken it upon themselves to think it's all the doings of god.did they know this info before hand,no they did not.

Glaucus · 6 Jul 2012 at 06:19

The bible people aren't calling it the god particle, the science lot are calling it the god particle. Thats it's slang name.

Trusty · 6 Jul 2012 at 06:42

Spook187 said:

Classic!

ElliorR · 6 Jul 2012 at 06:52

Glaucus said:
The bible people aren't calling it the god particle, the science lot are calling it the god particle. Thats it's slang name.

Physicists don't like the term. Apparently it was coined by a publishing house for the title of a book by a physicist about the Higgs, to make it more marketable.

Glaucus · 6 Jul 2012 at 07:01

physicist Leon Lederman coined it.

gropingmantis · 6 Jul 2012 at 07:12

Glaucus said:
physicist Leon Lederman coined it.

Actually he initially called it the "goddamned particle" because of how hard it is to find. However his publisher thought that stupid people (the public) would rather buy a book about the "god particle" so changed it. Something that neither Lederman or the wider scientific community were happy about. Now we have a load of idiots who understand nothing of the physics making the wild assumption that this discovery is something about proving or disproving god.

Gee, aren't people who try to make money great?!

Castiel · 6 Jul 2012 at 07:35

Spook187 said:
Correct,but why are the bible nutjobs saying it's the god particle,i don't like the way they have taken it upon themselves to think it's all the doings of god.did they know this info before hand,no they did not.

Because it was the scientists themselves, or at least one of them that coined the phrase in order to sell some more books.....it has nothing to do with the church or people who read the Bible.

You might want to actually find out a little information regarding what you are so outraged about in future.

Spook187 · 6 Jul 2012 at 12:46

Castiel said:
Because it was the scientists themselves, or at least one of them that coined the phrase in order to sell some more books.....it has nothing to do with the church or people who read the Bible.

You might want to actually find out a little information regarding what you are so outraged about in future.

mattyg · 6 Jul 2012 at 12:52

So we've found the Higgs boson but still no sign of maddie

Sorry but I havn't seen a maddie joke for a while

Castiel · 6 Jul 2012 at 13:11

Spook187 said:

What are you confused about.....you say you are annoyed at Bible nutjobs as you put it renaming the Higgs, the God Particle, when in fact it was a Physicist that actually did so as a humourous and provocative title(or allowed it to happen) for a Book he wrote.

Physicists may not like the term, but neither they, nor you can blame religion for it....in fact most religious people don't like the term either as Br Guy Consolmagno, a Vatican Planetary Scientist and Astonomer points out, "The 'God Particle' is misnamed and has nothing to do with theology or God in any direct sense."

Source

So before you go and blame religion for saying it is the God Particle, you might want to find out whether that is actually true first.

estebanrey · 6 Jul 2012 at 14:20

Castiel said:
However the point of the Bible is not to tell people how the world was made, but why and that is a fundamental difference between religion and science. The Bible is about teaching a Christian about their place in the world, helping them form and maintain their spiritual relationship with their God and themselves. It isn't an instruction manual for the creation of the Universe.

So what life lessons are taught in Chapter 1 of Genesis then?

Spook187 · 6 Jul 2012 at 14:24

Castiel said:
What are you confused about.....you say you are annoyed at Bible nutjobs as you put it renaming the Higgs, the God Particle, when in fact it was a Physicist that actually did so as a humourous and provocative title(or allowed it to happen) for a Book he wrote.

Physicists may not like the term, but neither they, nor you can blame religion for it....in fact most religious people don't like the term either as Br Guy Consolmagno, a Vatican Planetary Scientist and Astonomer points out, "The 'God Particle' is misnamed and has nothing to do with theology or God in any direct sense."

Source

So before you go and blame religion for saying it is the God Particle, you might want to find out whether that is actually true first.

Man i was going off my facebook religion friends(sorry i didn't mention that).