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Some news on Piledriver

You're the one not looking at it with more perspective as you refuse to see anything that isn't this 15% IPC improvement from two benchmarks.
I'm plenty calm.
People taking the high ground/superiority stance really wind me up.
 
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Interesting hope pd is a great chip would love to see and back in the high end game will be watching developments with great intrest
 
What's your problem?
Seriously, what in the world have I done to you for you to then start addressing me individually.

EDIT : Are you mistaking me for an Intel fanboy/AMD hater?
I'd be neither, and my Intel builds still pale in comparison to the amount of AMD ones I've done.
 
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Anyone with a realistic outlook will generally be labelled a hater or a fanboy. Regardless of the company.

2 Benchmarks and everyone is jumping up and down pointing at 25% gains. I can go out right now and find 2 benchmarks that show the I7 losing out to the I5. Which is the more capable processor?

We need to wait for more benchmarks to start with blanket performance claims.

So yeah, obviously I'm an ANTI AMD Pro Intel poster. May I burn in Hell
 
Martini1991 said:
What's your problem?
Seriously, what in the world have I done to you for you to then start addressing me individually.

EDIT : Are you mistaking me for an Intel fanboy/AMD hater?
I'd be neither, and my Intel builds still pale in comparison to the amount of AMD ones I've done.
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I have no problem with you personally, but please stop being what you so succinctly professed to hate earlier.

Martini1991 said:
People taking the high ground/superiority stance really wind me up.
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If someone wants to start a thread asking if other BD owners are happy with their BD what right have you got to stomp in and tell them they should have bought an Intel like you did? You don't own a BD so stay out. Simples really.
If they ask for an opinion on chip vs chip that's fine, but you bulldoze every thread (excuse the pun) irrespective of the thread aim.
Chill out, back off and stop being so sanctimonious. ;)



Stop stomping every thread and smacking people down that dare to even speak about hardware you don't agree with. It's so bloody predictable now, it really is. Don't you even get bored of spouting the same guff all the time?
 
TBH,I don't see why a 20% improvement overall or near that is not doable.

10% extra clockspeed could be achieved by just improvements to the production process. The other 10% could come through other improvements to the core.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
TBH,I don't see why a 20% improvement overall or near that is not doable.

10% extra clockspeed could be achieved by just improvements to the production process. The other 10% could come through other improvements to the core.
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Of course it's doable.
But whether or not is has been done is yet to be seen.
Although, 10% clock speed would indicate they've made their max OC go around 5.2GHZ 24/7 on average? Can't see it, but it'd be cool, or a 10% stock clock speed improvement, with the same type of OC'ing seen as Zambezi, which for most buyers is good, for enthusiasts not the best.
 
hlennie said:
Interesting hope pd is a great chip would love to see and back in the high end game will be watching developments with great intrest
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I agree. I also would like to see an AMD option worth considering over that of an Intel platform. It has been a while (Socket 939) since I last built an AMD system.
I do hope that they get some good quality boards as well to support the chips, not looked at those in a while so maybe they are there already.
 
It's AMD. If the last 5 years are anything to go by, then it'll be rubbish, the prices will drop and it'll be a cheap alternative to Intel, as per usual.

i7-3770k is £275~, 8150 £175~

Latest chipset motherboards, the Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 board is £115~, and the Z77X-UD3H is £130~

£405 instead of £290 means Intel are 25% more expensive. SHOCK HORROR. Do they perform 25% better? That'll be a yep. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=434


I'll be shocked if piledriver is any different. It was the same with the Phenom II x4 vs i7 920, and they Phenom II x6 vs i7 2600k, and the FX-8150 vs i7-3770k.


Can't change nature. :P
 
Well I bought a 3570k @ £165. I paid £80 for my gigabyte Z77 D3H. I had previously bought 2x 8GB LP DDR 3 1.35v sticks for £40.
Putting the memory aside, as that would have been needed for either platform, there was nothing that AMD could offer me for the £240ish pounds that I paid for the board and CPU in both performance and features for that price.

I really would have loved and AMD alternative that would have offered similar performance and features and cost the same. But that wasn't to be and as much as I would like to think that PD could be better I would doubt that it would be good enough.

But lets hope. :)
 
AMD are just forever chasing a carrot on a stick, for every step forward they take Intel take 2 steps.

Even if Piledriver is a best case 25% faster than BD who will buy one with Haswell just around the corner?
 
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AMD are just forever chasing a carrot on a stick, for every step forward they take Intel take 2 steps.

Even if Piledriver is a best case 25% faster than BD who will buy one with Haswell just around the corner?
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Steamroller is just as around the corner as Haswell, and trust me because everyone knows how **** AMD are and how god like Intel are without question and all that,- Haswell will cost a small fortune because Intel know ppl will buy it at almost any price without even questioning how good it actually is.
Look at Ivy Bridge, They moved from soldering the DIE cap to the HIS (which is expensive) to using a cheap thermal compound. why? to maximise profits. They know they will sell every bit as well as Sandy Bridge despite being a bit of a pig by comparison, and they know fans everywhere will vigorously defend the chip for them, and they are absolutely right!

Don't hold your hopes up for to much in Haswell, Intel could just make a few minor tweaks to the current generation and vast number of people will buy them blindly.

Anyway. Steamroller is due for later 2013, and then xavier for 2014... year on year AMD are releasing new chips claiming 10 - 15% performance improvements on each generation.

And typical for AMD you wont have to keep changing your Motherboard for a new socket.

Not that most would even consider it, no mater how good it might be.
 
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AMD are just forever chasing a carrot on a stick, for every step forward they take Intel take 2 steps.

Even if Piledriver is a best case 25% faster than BD who will buy one with Haswell just around the corner?
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I don't think even the most ardent Ivybridge fan could call that two steps forward. It's a slight improvement on Sandybridge. More like half a step. PileDriver isn't going to beat either of them but it could start to make up ground. If Piledriver IPC shows the same sort of improvement on bulldozer that the Trinity test on tom's hardware displayed and it's couple with a little bump in clock speed then the gap will be closer. And if AMD keeps it relatively cheaper than Ivybridge it will appeal to a lot of people (the all-out power user, which are the upper echelon spenders of the enthusiast market will still plump for Ivybridge...whereas Piledriver could do well with everyone else.). Of course some people will be looking to rubbish it straight off the bat but as the number of applications/games that can utilise multicore cpu's grow (which they are starting to do) then this processor may well come into it's own. And I would imagine that anyone currently running an AM3+ rig will definitely be interested.
 
Humbug, you believe AMD will keep AM3+ for the two iterations after PD?
You'd be kidding yourself.

When it comes to sockets, there's a lot of ignorance involved AMD wise.
Bulldozer was touted AM3 for a long time, bang, AM3+ while people had already invested in AM3 with the same CPU's as those which are possible on AM2+ (Phenom II)

Onto the Ivybridge lack of solder, I think it's a poor move from Intel, however it's AMD that have allowed them to do so with the lack of competition at their level.

Also, slightly hypocritical at you talking Haswell down, while chastising those who do the same to PD etc.

Baring in mind these CPU's are all an unknown quantity, yet you speak like everything's fact.
 
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I'm running an AM3 chip on an AM3+ socket right now, look in my signature.

That is the way it is for AMD, as that example an AM3 chip will run on an AM2+, AM3 and AM3+ socket. there sockets are always one step back and one step forward compatible, My chip even has a DDR2 MEM controller built in along side the DDR3 to give you that backwards compatibility... giving you 2 generations of compatibility.

Piledriver is AM3+ as Bulldozer, Steamroller will be AM4 and will also fit on my MOBO.

Look, there is a lot of talk around here about how apparently bad AMD are, yet no one has picked up on my link in this thread and commented on how much the 2 module Trinity has caught up with the 2 core Sandy Bridge, or just how good AMD's IGPU is full stop.

Constant criticism and ignorance of where they done good simply plays into Intel's hands, just as AMD would (tables turned) constant bashing without any sort of acknowledgments of there achievements is exactly what Intel want.... they can sit there, do nothing yet pretend to and set prices to whatever ever they want.

We are our own worst enemy, that's all i'm saying.

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Humbug, you believe AMD will keep AM3+ for the two iterations after PD?
You'd be kidding yourself.

When it comes to sockets, there's a lot of ignorance involved AMD wise.
Bulldozer was touted AM3 for a long time, bang, AM3+ while people had already invested in AM3 with the same CPU's as those which are possible on AM2+ (Phenom II)

Onto the Ivybridge lack of solder, I think it's a poor move from Intel, however it's AMD that have allowed them to do so with the lack of competition at their level.

Also, slightly hypocritical at you talking Haswell down, while chastising those who do the same to PD etc.

Baring in mind these CPU's are all an unknown quantity, yet you speak like everything's fact.
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I don't think even the most ardent Ivybridge fan could call that two steps forward. It's a slight improvement on Sandybridge. More like half a step.
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Well Sandy Bridge was about 1.5 steps :p and Intel seem to be moving at the twice the rate of AMD in terms of R&D and getting them released onto shelves.

Mathematics aside my point is AMD are forever playing catchup and the gap seems to be widening not closing.
 
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