Weight Loss/Virtual Gastric Band/Etc

RE: Paleo diet. It's only "fad" because it's been given a poncy name, and has an entire franchise/etc. where some are trying to milk it.

It's actually a very logical diet and just like most "fad" diets, if you peel back the layers of marketing bull that comes with it, it boils down to the simple truth of why any/all diets work: You stop eating ****.

Paleo diet, Atkins diet, Weightwatchers, Other Named Diet, all boil down to:

Lean meat (and not much of it), with (some) root vegetables and plenty of 'greens'.

That's the basis of any good diet for the average person who isn't looking to achieve any kind of athletic goal (i.e. something other than "just lose weight.")

If you do have an athletic goal, you will need to tailor it a bit, but the basis is still the same. Wanting to gain muscle - you'll want a higher proportion of meat. If you're looking to increase your cardio ability (for, as an example, a marathon) then you'll want to increase the proportion of root vegetables for the carbs. Everyone should be eating plenty of greens.
 
cheets64 said:
looks like a fad diet really, doubt a caveman was eating anything like that.

On the fruit thing, fruit is full of sugar so I only tend to eat stuff I need for energy, Bananas mainly probably once a day and a few oranges/apples in the week, fruit is basically natures mars bar.

People think "oh fruit, that is good for you" and then eat tons of sugar.

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It's the point of not eating as much grain or carbs. Your body doesn't need that much carbohydrates, the modern diet, ever since commercial farming became big, is full of carbs and thus has became cheap to buy and people eat too much of it. It is so easy eating a couple of slices of toasts as a snack...that's as much as 400 cal when you include butter and jam, a meal's worth of energy.

I never put any label on the diet, call it whatever you like but my stomach doesn't understand english, it does however understand what goes in it.

Less carbs, more lean meat and veg.
 
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Castiel said:
It is a lot more expensive......it annoys me that whenever there is a thread on fat people you get the usual crowd all saying that eating healthy fresh food is just as cheap as eating junk food......it isn't, not by a country mile.
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So true, we eat so much less but the food bill has gone up. I've dropped 58lbs since the start of April doing a mixture of watching what I eat and exercise. Like you I'm 6ft2, in my early 20's I lost about 11 stone in 9 months basically by starving myself (I was in a bad place) and being 12 stone I looked ill. For people wanting to watch what they eat I would say get myfitnesspal installed on your phone.

Exercise for me was accomplished in April by starting out with 10mins jogging every night. It's very hard to say "I don't have time to do 10 mins" and when I started I could only run 2 of those 10 mins. 3 months later I'm doing 25-30k a week and can run 10k in one go.

I'm still 250lbs so I have another 40 to lose but its easy now.
 
Guys do be careful counting calories etc or taking a diet to any real obsession. Its really easy to do/just happen if you have a slightest bit of a obsessive personality!

I know this after dropping 10stone in 10months and feeling great then, suffering from a very **** eating disorder for the 4 years after which saw be drop to 7stone in 2010 :(.

Just be careful with everything, life is too short to cut out everything you like, a diet should be about compromise etc.
 
Matutu said:
Guys do be careful counting calories etc or taking a diet to any real obsession. Its really easy to do/just happen if you have a slightest bit of a obsessive personality!

I know this after dropping 10stone in 10months and feeling great then, suffering from a very **** eating disorder for the 4 years after which saw be drop to 7stone in 2010 :(.

Just be careful with everything, life is too short to cut out everything you like, a diet should be about compromise etc.
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I should probably echo this as Its where it took me in my early 20's. I didn't count calories though at that time I just didn't eat for 3/4 of a year.
 
Just wanted to say thank you for creating thus thread. I've been hovering between 18st-19st for a while now but I need to act.

This thread has loads of useful info and tips that i will be using in my quest to lose weight so thank you.
 
ok, please be kind, I know this is going to be a really stupid question, but......
does not eating help you lose weight or do you lack the right amount of energy you need to burn off certain stuff?
 
paradisiac said:
ok, please be kind, I know this is going to be a really stupid question, but......
does not eating help you lose weight or do you lack the right amount of energy you need to burn off certain stuff?
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I always thought that not eating put you into 'starvation mode' but I recently read something that said it was nonsense and you'd have to go days before that happened.

I'd say eating sensibly is better than starving yourself to lose weight.
 
Not eating at all is probably worse for you than eating badly. It's at least as bad for you.

However, that's only if it is sustained malnutrition. I.e. over quite a long period of time.

Intermittent Fasting is an "extreme" diet where you only permit yourself to eat at specific times of the day - usually only in the afternoon, so no breakfast and nothing to eat until, for example, 2pm, and nothing after 7pm.

There is also pretty popular dietary practice called "Eat Stop Eat" where you eat only on alternating days (i.e. Monday eat, Tuesday don't eat, Wednesday eat, etc.) is used by some to quickly lose weight, such as body builders and similar.
 
paradisiac said:
ok, please be kind, I know this is going to be a really stupid question, but......
does not eating help you lose weight or do you lack the right amount of energy you need to burn off certain stuff?
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I was never starving, still eat my 3 meals, I just eat healthy and smaller portions.

I've been up 5 hours now, only had a pan-au-raisin and 2 cups of coffee, now heading out for a 2 mile walk.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I was never starving, still eat my 3 meals, I just eat healthy and smaller portions.

I've been up 5 hours now, only had a pan-au-raisin and 2 cups of coffee, now heading out for a 2 mile walk.
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Judging by what you said you eat I would hardly class them as meals! Have you calculated how many kcals a day you were taking in? It sounds like a VLC diet tbh.
 
It looks to me like you eat a lot, though you probably need it. I'd suggest slowly cutting portion sizes and to curb the hunger pains, I drink hot drinks - a cup of tea or something. I used to have pudding almost every night. Now when I feel want pudding, a cup of tea will fill me up instead.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Not eating at all is probably worse for you than eating badly. It's at least as bad for you.
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Indeed, like I said I went 9 months only eating a small bag of carrots a week and 1 bowl of cereal every Wednesday night and doing close to 1000 sit ups a day. I probably only got by because at that time I was out every night and would drink a couple of pints of John Smiths. I never made myself sick because I rarely ate anything. Towards the end of that time, my lungs collapsed, I developed hypertension and an irregular heartbeat and due to the rapid weight loss I developed a rather large gallstone. Happy days :)
 
LOAM said:
Indeed, like I said I went 9 months only eating a small bag of carrots a week and 1 bowl of cereal every Wednesday night and doing close to 1000 sit ups a day. I probably only got by because at that time I was out every night and would drink a couple of pints of John Smiths. I never made myself sick because I rarely ate anything. Towards the end of that time, my lungs collapsed, I developed hypertension and an irregular heartbeat and due to the rapid weight loss I developed a rather large gallstone. Happy days :)
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That's a bit extreme!

I still eat, and quite a lot.

This is lunch for example

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LOAM said:
Indeed, like I said I went 9 months only eating a small bag of carrots a week and 1 bowl of cereal every Wednesday night and doing close to 1000 sit ups a day. I probably only got by because at that time I was out every night and would drink a couple of pints of John Smiths. I never made myself sick because I rarely ate anything. Towards the end of that time, my lungs collapsed, I developed hypertension and an irregular heartbeat and due to the rapid weight loss I developed a rather large gallstone. Happy days :)
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You seem to have got to a worst point than I did. I just looked very bad and kept getting ill a lot.

A lot better now though :). How long ago was it that you were ill?
 
Probably about 2 years, when my lungs collapsed and I was in hospital on a drip and nil by mouth all I could think of was getting home to weigh myself to see how much I had lost during the week on a saline drip lol.

Its over 12 years ago now but the effects of it are still present. I genuinely dont think you are ever actually over something like that tbh, this is compounded by the fact that rather obtusely I remember those days fondly as if it was a good time (which socially it was). 12 years on I struggle to eat in front of people I dont know, I would say that I dont enjoy food at all but realise that its necessary. If someone could invent a pill that just gave you what you needed for a whole day then that would suit me.
 
Ah see mine is exercise! I was so addicted to it, at one point I was doing it 7 hours per day......... eating tonnes of **** to go with it but still not enough.

Now I find it very hard to limit exercise, but really enjoy my food and cooking/baking so still overall things are looking up!

You will get there mate, just a long hard road.
 
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