Crikey, that must be pretty rough for him!
BSc/BA/MSc/MBA after you name...
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Crikey, that must be pretty rough for him!
erm what????
if there should be an alternative then, if anything, its the medics with undergraduate degrees using the courtesy title 'Dr' who should be dropping it - not the PhD holders with actual doctorates who have earned the title...
derived from the Latin word docēre 'to teach'... has been an academic title for longer than it has been used colloquially to refer to physicians
to be fair he was doing front office application support... but still, with those quals you'd expect a bit more....
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This^ I would say someone who has done a PHD is more worthy of the title than someone who has done medicine/dentistry.
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So you disagree with me then? Keep the same name for both?
I don't really care who gets the alternate name - but general consensus would most likely have medical doctors keeping the title as that's the most widely used meaning for the term... it's irrelevant who has had what for the longest
Anyone who feels the need to put letters after their name is a ponce! An utter ponce at that. Who cares and why do they feel the need to try to appear more important than others are? Being "close" to this area, I see it as nothing more than trying to put yourself above others. Hate it and scoff at those who feel the need to do it...
Just had a meeting with my boss and this discussion came up for my card - apparently it's a thing, especially when you put BSc(Hons) at the end, so suppliers will approach you with technical information in relation to your job with confidence rather than teaching you to suck eggs.
I can see where he's coming from and where suppliers / business partners will know me better, especially when I deal with a lot of technical information, but I can't help shake the feeling of 'I am better than you, look at my BSc!' doucheness.
Will have to think about it before I give him my final decision on my card.
I can see where he's coming from and where suppliers / business partners will know me better, especially when I deal with a lot of technical information, but I can't help shake the feeling of 'I am better than you, look at my BSc!' doucheness.
Will have to think about it before I give him my final decision on my card.
Agreed. If I had a PHD I woudn't advertise it and walk around handing out business cards to people saying to them John Smith PHD. As said above, I don't personally believe my degrees did me any good in my career but as Cinkleshoes points out, having a good degree from a decent University does give you a leg up compared to non graduates or people with Mickey Mouse degrees. Although in these recession hit times, people from Oxbridge are probably selling double glazing I shouldn't wonder.
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You're not far off - I had to do some **** minimum wage thing straight out of uni... but it was all I could get at the time & I'd rather be earning even minimum wage than stuck on benefits.
I'm so glad those days are long gone... I still feel poor, but at least I have more toys to distract me from that
I'm only where I am now because I started working in this industry at 16 (on top of studies) and never stopped... even working for the Uni's IT team while I was there... so there are other ways to give yourself a headstart, too.
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You're not far off - I had to do some **** minimum wage thing straight out of uni... but it was all I could get at the time & I'd rather be earning even minimum wage than stuck on benefits.
I'm so glad those days are long gone... I still feel poor, but at least I have more toys to distract me from that
I'm only where I am now because I started working at 16 (on top of studies)... so there are other ways to give yourself a headstart, too.
That sucks dude. Yeah me too, I worked in a call centre for 1 year after graduating, worst experience of my life. Although I eventually found my feet and got a decent job I actually enjoyed, it wasn't easy. The scary thing is that was before the boom and bust too. If I was graduating now, god help me!
So I'm presuming you did go to Oxford or Cambridge?
I came out of graduation without a job, we had 100s going for jobs that can't hire more than a handful.
I ended up working minimum wage for 6 months and from that, fell into the world of food production and now in a job that I throughly enjoy. I think a little hard work after uni built some character in me.
It's not very good, at all. It's mid-rank and very average. As a research institution it is nowheresville. "Very good". If Hull Uni is very good than somewhere like Imperial is astronomically amazing.
Also whoever said above that people with a DPhil/PhD shouldn't be called 'doctors' is an idiot of the highest order. The academic institution has been using the nomenclature of doctors and professors for the better part of a thousand years. But yes, it should definitely change its habits because the medical profession and NHS staff have 'earnt it' more. Both pathways require 7-8 years of training and both forms of Doctor represent a person of high-learning. Stupid post.
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You're not far off - I had to do some **** minimum wage thing straight out of uni... but it was all I could get at the time & I'd rather be earning even minimum wage than stuck on benefits.
I'm so glad those days are long gone... I still feel poor, but at least I have more toys to distract me from that
I'm only where I am now because I started working in this industry at 16 (on top of studies) and never stopped... even working for the Uni's IT team while I was there... so there are other ways to give yourself a headstart, too.
So was it your education, or your experience that got you this "massively paid" (read: clearly not that greatly paid) job?
Do make your mind up.
Yeah I feel a bit like that. I think it is important to do those kind of jobs at least for a while just so you know what it's like at the bottom. After all some people are stuck in those kind of jobs for life, so a year is nothing in comparison. You have to wonder though, if you come out of Uni now with a degree in Film Studies, are you going to be stuck selling windows for the rest of your life?
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I do quite a bit of consultancy for call centers (our main clients) - I couldn't stand actually working there for any period of time, would go nuts!
Heck - had one call center where the main supervisor would ring a loud bell every time a call was in the queue for more than 5 seconds.
It was bad enough being near her for about an hour - I felt so sorry for the poor sods that had to work anywhere near that woman!
My crummy job could've been a lot worse, it was a field based "engineer" role with company van, working for a terrible agency of Fujitsu... while the job itself was mind numbingly boring and underpaid... at least I got the variety of travelling to lots of different sites (banks, tesco, hedge funds, etc). I found that variety of location help me noticeably.
I think a lot of graduates at the minute seem to think they can just drop straight in to a middle management or higher role, straight out of uni. They don't realise that you have to go through all the **** to build up experience before you can get something worthwhile. So they don't look for & some won't even accept "lesser" roles. I can understand why they wouldn't want to, but it's one of those things most people just have to deal with.
Even I think I got out of the **** quickly... slower than I had hoped for, but quicker than my own view of what was a reasonable expectation.
Heck - had one call center where the main supervisor would ring a loud bell every time a call was in the queue for more than 5 seconds.
It was bad enough being near her for about an hour - I felt so sorry for the poor sods that had to work anywhere near that woman!
My crummy job could've been a lot worse, it was a field based "engineer" role with company van, working for a terrible agency of Fujitsu... while the job itself was mind numbingly boring and underpaid... at least I got the variety of travelling to lots of different sites (banks, tesco, hedge funds, etc). I found that variety of location help me noticeably.
I think a lot of graduates at the minute seem to think they can just drop straight in to a middle management or higher role, straight out of uni. They don't realise that you have to go through all the **** to build up experience before you can get something worthwhile. So they don't look for & some won't even accept "lesser" roles. I can understand why they wouldn't want to, but it's one of those things most people just have to deal with.
Even I think I got out of the **** quickly... slower than I had hoped for, but quicker than my own view of what was a reasonable expectation.
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I have a PhD and the only other time I use it other than my CV is in my css in-game name "Dr. Jack" as I figured I should get some use out of the title.
I work in a Uni, so when everyone has a PhD it is basically like no one does and the title is never used apart from on doors. I would find it strange if I was referred to using academic titles really and think the person was a bit of an idiot.
I work in a Uni, so when everyone has a PhD it is basically like no one does and the title is never used apart from on doors. I would find it strange if I was referred to using academic titles really and think the person was a bit of an idiot.
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The only place I'd use 'Dr'. as an address is in formal letters and for incoming mail. And why not? It's a huge personal achievement. There's a place for that sort of honorific in business-cards, as well, I suppose... but only if you're into public policy or a think-tank of some sort. I worked at a consultancy firm last summer and one of the IT Technicians there had a PhD in History, though you wouldn't know it... that's a situation where it is irrelevant and inappropriate to list it. But if you have a PhD in economics and you're working for a think-tank, it's obviously different. It's all about the context.
Similarly I've only really seen people frequently list BA's, MA's, BSc's etc. after their name in an educational situation. For e.g. a school-teacher/headteacher using it as a letter head; academic staff using it on their departmental profiles; public figures and officials using it as a sign of some specialism and proficiency. If you're creating a business card as a freelance graphics designer, I probably wouldn't append a Biology degree after my name. And so on...
Though I did once spot a person listing their recently-attained degree after their name on Facebook. In my opinion all that sort of display really shows is that you must be from a very modest background that holds an undergraduate degree as some massive achievement.
One of my best friends graduated in the same year as me from a very respectable university with a First in Film Studies. It was actually quite an academic and theoretical course. He's now working in production for Disney, in London.
So don't use these sort of degrees as automatic, lazy euphemisms for '****'. Because a lot of other things are important considering factors: not least the university awarding it. Some film courses are hugely prestigious and more competitive than any STEM subject at a Russell Group. They can be a mark of high quality, too, and the film-industry / media needs fresh talent.
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That's the problem. Graduates these days are just too arrogant, and can't afford to be picky in the current times. If they want to get a a good job then they need to start at the bottom and work there way up, and it will sometimes take several years. I graduated with a BA and an MA in Classics as I had the deluded idea that I could go into academia. As I didn't do a career specific degree and as I didn't have a lot of previous job experience, I had to work in less then desirable jobs for a few years before finding my feet. So if any of you on here are thinking of going to uni do a degree that will actually have the possible chance of a job at the end of it! You need to choose your course carefully these days, I certainly wouldn't have done a useless degree like Classics if I was going to uni now and paying 9000 in tuition fees.
That's the problem. Graduates these days are just too arrogant, and can't afford to be picky in the current times. If they want to get a a good job then they need to start at the bottom and work there way up, and it will sometimes take several years. I graduated with a BA and an MA in Classics as I had the deluded idea that I could go into academia. As I didn't do a career specific degree and as I didn't have a lot of previous job experience, I had to work in less then desirable jobs for a few years before finding my feet. So if any of you on here are thinking of going to uni do a degree that will actually have the possible chance of a job at the end of it! You need to choose your course carefully these days, I certainly wouldn't have done a useless degree like Classics if I was going to uni now and paying 9000 in tuition fees.