Afghan Woman's Public Execution Slammed

TigerUK said:
Christian fundamentalists in the US tend to be filty rich, and they make their money through not so Christian means. They are some of the most crooked individuals in the world. They're completely at odds with Jesus who was all about charity and lacked any worldly possessions.

He has such few possessions that some critics are arguing whether Jesus even existed because there aren't any physical traces of his existence left behind.
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some of them are, most arent. they are just stupid weak minded people.

i suggest anyone watch 'jesus camp' a documentary about christian fundamentalists. just as scary as the muslim fundies IMO. especially with them having a say in government!
 
Castiel said:
Not Europe.....The Seljuk Turks (not Arabs) and the Byzantines were vying for control of Anatolia, which was part of the Byzantine Empire and parts of it (Syria) had been taken from the Sassanids, Fatimids and then the Great Seljuq Empire in the first place......Also during the 11th Century the Reconquista in Iberia (Berbers, not Arabs) was already taking place and The Normans were just as concerned with conquering the Byzantines as they were the Seljuq's.

The Muslim Conquests in Europe were hundreds of years prior to the First Crusade and were mainly limited to southern Iberia and a very short lived incursion into southern Italy. The majority of Muslim Expansion was in Arab, Middle Eastern and Asian lands rather than Europe. The Byzantine-Arab wars had been going on for hundreds of years, with each vying for Asia Minor rather than Europe. It was the Byzantibpnes that were guilty of pushing into Europe and the Euopeans (Normans) guilty of numerous incursions and expansions into the Byzantine Empire. The whole geo-political nature of the entire region was far to complex to simply point to one group (or religion) and say 'they started it'......the fact is the the people's of the Middle East had been subject to one foreign Empire or another since Alexander (if not before) and the spread of Islam was predicated by that particularly in the traditional indigenous ethnicities of Asia Minor.

You are right that it is not relevant to modern issues in the Middle East and Asia though. That is a whole different ball game, one which the West has had a hand in as well, notably with the carve up of the Ottoman Empire and the end of the Caliphate.
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i thought they got to greece and southern spain too? taking slaves etc. i could be wrong as you are much more educated in these things than me.

i would also imagine us taking palestine and sticking a big jewish settlement there and creating israel also didnt go down too well! ;)
 
realBabelfish said:
i thought they got to greece and southern spain too? taking slaves etc. i could be wrong as you are much more educated in these things than me.

i would also imagine us taking palestine and sticking a big jewish settlement there and creating israel also didnt go down too well! ;)
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Iberia is Spain. And Muslim Rule in Greece came far later than the 12th Century......it was not until the fall of the Byzantine Empire and the consolidation of the Ottoman Empire in the late 15th Century that most of Greece came nominally under the Caliphate (Sultanate in the Ottoman terminology). The Republic of Venice occupied many of the Greek Islands and part of the Mainland as well.

I say Muslim rule with qualification as well, because under the Ottomans the Greek Orthodox Christian Church gained primacy under the protection of the Ottomans, and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople held significant power and control over the Orthodox communities and other aspects of Greek life such as Schools and Courts. With the exception of Selim I, the Ottomans were a very liberal and fair in Greece, removing many of the abuses and corruption of the clergy and reforms to the political arena (not that the average Greek was that impressed to be fair).
 
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