Families need £36,800 to live acceptably.....

Sounds a bit high to me.

I earn around £22k, with child benefit (~£120 month) and Tax Credits (~£400 month) on top we probably have about £29k or so total income a year.

And we do fine. Saying that though we don't have a car, and we don't go abroad on holidays and the lark.

But we have multiple PC's, laptops, HD telly, virgin media tv, cable internet, several consoles, fancy cameras, kids have everything they need clothes, food, shoes, books, games, toys etc. etc.

So it's not like we're living hand to mouth.

You get £500 a month in benefits yet have multiple computers and TVs, am I reading this right?
 
I have added some links to the information that was used to decide what minimum standards and socially acceptable standards of living are considered to be.

To be fair it is the £18,400 that would have me worried with a two child family....it certainly doesn't seem anywhere near enough to have a reasonable standard of living in the UK. I would struggle on the £36k, but I can envisage having a comfortable (albeit frugal) life on £36k, but given our family income is significantly higher than that I have no objective way of comparing it.

I also understand that your geographical position will also determine the buying power of the figures given, so I think we should assume a balanced position rather than ones at either extreme.
 
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I have added some links to the information that was used to decide what minimum standards and socially acceptable standards of living are considered to be.

To be fair it is the £18,400 that would have me worried with a two child family....it certainly doesn't seem anywhere near enough to have a reasonable standard of living in the UK.

People shouldn't have children if they can't afford them.
 
I'm pushing just under £40k at 27 with no debt & I don't feel rich by a long shot.

Personally, I think we need to up the minimum wage to align closer to the living costs of the UK - I don't believe it's fair anybody works a full week & get's less than £18k PA (closer to what I'd call a living wage) & I'd happily pay more tax to help cover it.
 
You get £500 a month in benefits yet have multiple computers and TVs, am I reading this right?

To be fair, they state that they do not run a car or travel at all. Electronics are very cheap in the scheme of things, it does not sound as if they are living it up at taxpayer expense to me.
 
[FnG]magnolia;22314431 said:
18 grand a year (each) can't be above the average wage in Britain can it?
In statistics the average is only used in a case in which the distribution is even.

The mode wage is far lower.

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The lower hash line at the bottom is the one which is similar to wage distribution, the mean is ... well, meaningless in this case.
 
Are you serious?

Are you?

I work full time, my wife is a full time mother.

Yes she could go to work, but then we'd have to pay childcare costs, which negate anything she earns and deprives our young children of seeing at least one of their parents for pretty much the entire week bar a couple of hours in the evening.

So yeah, I'll take the money the government gives me and let my kids be raised by their parent and not some random person thanks.

Because the state is propping up his lifestyle.

Haha, you are quick to judge!

My Lifestyle! Oh dear. I have no car (I could afford one if I gave up pretty much everything else), i don't go abroad on holidays, we're lucky if we have a week in Skeggy lol, we don't go out drinking (we're both T-total) or blowing wads of cash on cigarettes etc.

Instead we use our spare cash on things the family can enjoy, movies, games, books etc.

It's not like i'm traveling around in a government funded Aston Martin while my wife nips off to the spa all day!
 
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Because the state is propping up his lifestyle.

The state recognises the need to support people having children, and the state recognises that earnings are not directly related to your contribution. I'd say that's down to the corporatocracy and we need to be more free market. Other people will favour more government involvement. Regardless as a society we have decided this is desirable.
 
Are you?

I work full time, my wife is a full time mother.

Yes she could go to work, but then we'd have to pay childcare costs, which negate anything she earns and deprives our young children of seeing at least one of their parents for pretty much the entire week bar a couple of hours in the evening.

So yeah, I'll take the money the government gives me and let my kids be raised by their parent and not some random person thanks.

Deadly serious, the welfare state isn't there to provide people with gadgets.
 
I'm planning to start a family next year think the numbers sound about right. My wife won't be working full time when we have a baby so income will drop a bit. Fortunately I earn about £50k so should be OK if we pay off our debts.
 
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