Families need £36,800 to live acceptably.....

Jez said:
Raised a smile, so you have an income of £45k combined, feel that £80k is the number you wish to achieve, yet feel you are in a position to be snobby about state education?

I think you are in for a shock as to how much private education costs, you will not be sending your offspring to a private college on your target income. :p
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I was privately educated, I can be as snobby as I like about state education, it's a crock of ****.

It's not so much a target as much as an 'at least' if I were to have kids. Of course, I won't be having kids, and chances are it what's going to split the mrs and I up, but if something did happen by accident and I couldn't convince her not to ruin my life then I would have course do what's best for the child and give it the best start in life.

Which most certainly means no state education.
 
shoes said:
Well it's no secret I have a real problem with people having kids they cannot afford, and it's also no secret that the children of poorer parents tend to do worse at school and are more likely to commit crime as they grow up. Frankly poor people should be banned from having children, but enforcing this would send the human rights brigade into some kind of cataclysmic meltdown.
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but who will work for pittance for the rich?

also, its the poor who often serve in the army etc. the rich would all be speaking german if it wasnt for the poor soldiers.
 
My dad came to this country with not even a word of English and had to work two jobs. 3 houses, paid-off mortgage, 2 kids and a pension, it's hard to beat that (even with an excellent education and a very well paid job). Try doing that now with the high cost of living.
 
shoes said:
Freedom, both financially and commitment wise, the ability to, within reason, do what I want, when I want without having to plan days or weeks in advance and book baby sitters etc. I want to be able to afford the nice things I have, I want to pay off my mortgage quickly and when I get home from work I want to relax, not start an evening's work looking after children I don't want.

Yup, that sums it up really.

That and the fact that with a combined income of £45k currently, my partner and I are not in a position to have children - there is no way on this earth any child of mine is going to a local comprehensive and at his stage we cannot afford proper education, so if we were to have kids that income ideally needs to be north of £80k in today's terms IMO.
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You sound massively materialistic, selfish, and completely out of touch with society.

"when I get home from work I want to relax, not start an evening's work looking after children I don't want."

You are right, it sums it up entirely. You'll find most parents don't class looking after their own children as a chore that has to be endured, but something they actually enjoy. I love it when I get home and my kids come running up, or want to share some story that's happened to them, or want me to come play a game with them or whatever.

I know people who earn a pittance and are the best parents you could ever imagine, loving caring, always there when they need them, and their kids are super happy. Much more important than having a huge income.
 
Bunkum.

The problem here is with greed not need, that and the insane inflation of rent/mortgages in London and the commuter belt.

Wind back to my parents and their grandparents youth and then you see how people truly did live on and below the poverty line. No hit water on tap, no. At groom, outside toilet and so on.

The relative luxury we all live in nowadays is a dream compared to that. Alas some feel it's not enough and are lured into thinking happiness is only achieved by buying more stuff.

Whilst there are people living in poverty nowadays and that needs to be addressed most people simply do not seem to grasp the basics of only buy what you can afford.
 
shoes said:
I was privately educated, I can be as snobby as I like about state education, it's a crock of ****.
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I was privately educated too, however state education is varied. I'm Scottish so it's not a direct comparison as it's better up here. I've no idea why being privately educated makes you better placed to comment on the difference between private and state education.

shoes said:
Of course, I won't be having kids
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You'd probably eat them, apparently lots of reptiles do.
 
realBabelfish said:
but who will work for pittance for the rich?

also, its the poor who often serve in the army etc. the rich would all be speaking german if it wasnt for the poor soldiers.
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Last time I looked we weren't under threat of attack?

German? Oh you mean the war? The war with conscription? Where it was irrelevant of how wealthy you were? That one? hmmmmmm.

Why do so many of the poor join the army? Because they fail at anything that requires thought, so being a human shield for the americans is one of few options left.
 
HeX said:
You sound massively materialistic, selfish, and completely out of touch with society.

"when I get home from work I want to relax, not start an evening's work looking after children I don't want."

You are right, it sums it up entirely. You'll find most parents don't class looking after their own children as a chore that has to be endured, but something they actually enjoy. I love it when I get home and my kids come running up, or want to share some story that's happened to them, or want me to come play a game with them or whatever.

I know people who earn a pittance and are the best parents you could ever imagine, loving caring, always there when they need them, and their kids are super happy. Much more important than having a huge income.
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I suppose some of us don't want kids or would struggle raising a family (not in the financial sense).
 
HeX said:
You sound massively materialistic, selfish, and completely out of touch with society.
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Yup, pretty much - all the more reason why I shouldn't be father eh?

HeX said:
"when I get home from work I want to relax, not start an evening's work looking after children I don't want."

You are right, it sums it up entirely. You'll find most parents don't class looking after their own children as a chore that has to be endured, but something they actually enjoy. I love it when I get home and my kids come running up, or want to share some story that's happened to them, or want me to come play a game with them or whatever.
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I have enough interest and excitement in my life thanks, don't need more, especially not in the form of a lifelong commitment.

HeX said:
I know people who earn a pittance and are the best parents you could ever imagine, loving caring, always there when they need them, and their kids are super happy. Much more important than having a huge income.
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Likewise, and they're not really 'poor' are they? People on benefits who conceive and have children whilst reliant on benefits - those are the ones I have real issues with.
 
Oh dear, shoes must be on some really potent medication.

If only the 'Thick' joined the army, why do we have one of the best trained and skilled armed forces in the world?
 
triggerthat said:
I suppose some of us don't want kids or would struggle raising a family (not in the financial sense).
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I accept that some people don't want kids, that's their choice.

It's more shoes extreme viewpoint I take issue with.
 
shoes said:
I was privately educated, I can be as snobby as I like about state education, it's a crock of ****.

Which most certainly means no state education.
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The level of drivel you spout has almost legendary proportions. However making a sweeping statement like that is beyond idiotic. It's offensive.

Thousands of teachers, support staff and hard working pupils all dismissed because you, apparently, have deemed state education to be rubbish.

Probably for the best that you don't inflict your offspring on the world, private education or not.

Oh and that's the polite version of my post. Best I could do, old chap.
 
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Jez said:
Raised a smile, so you have an income of £45k combined, feel that £80k is the number you wish to achieve, yet feel you are in a position to be snobby about state education?

I think you are in for a shock as to how much private education costs, you will not be sending your offspring to a private college on your target income. :p
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Me too. My local private school charges £14,000 per annum per child so if you have two, thats £28,000 after tax. Probably would take up £40k of the his £80k target.:p
 
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