Families need £36,800 to live acceptably.....

Hmm, let me do some quick maths....

Presuming pre-tax...

252 working days in a year (I think it's 252).

So, 18400/252, presuming a 7 hour work day, you're looking at about £10.43/hour.

Now admittedly, that's above minimum wage, but, must admit I'm not in this group, but I figure that by the time most people are at an age where they'll have kids... Call it 25-30, I'd expect both members of the family to be earning at least that. It might not be the most comfortable living, but why (excluding twins), would you have a second kid if you can't afford it?

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You haven't worked that out right.

You take 18400/52/40 and you get the hourly rate.....£8.84.
 
Me and the other half pull in about 20k a year (not bad for students). But even then, it always feels like we have no money, and we have to chose the budget option for everything! :)
 
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None probably, hence this incentive.

Like, duh. If it was full of them they wouldn't need to take measures like this to give people a chance, would they?

its 1 in 10 actually.
their were measures well into place before this donation - this is simply the icing on the cake and will ensure that agreements put in place over OFFA are maintained even if the government do a U - turn on their university tuition principles.
 
I have 11k and do pretty well and own my own home and have lots of tech (tv, projector, console, HD TV, laptop etc. Anything above 20 seems amazing to me!! I'd feel like a millionaire. :)

Not sure if serious. :confused:

How would you be able to afford your own home and so much tech on £900 a month without significant subsidizing? 11k is close to poverty line.
 
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I have 11k and do pretty well and own my own home and have lots of tech (tv, projector, console, HD TV, laptop etc. Anything above 20 seems amazing to me!! I'd feel like a millionaire. :)

wow! well done i guess

i couldnt bring up my son, pay mortgage and fuel and food and bills on that. not a chance.

for a single guy its maybe doable (do you own a house outright? small mortgage?)
 
I have 11k and do pretty well and own my own home and have lots of tech (tv, projector, console, HD TV, laptop etc. Anything above 20 seems amazing to me!! I'd feel like a millionaire. :)

this is the thing. I average about £890 take home a month. My rent, council tax, water, electric, landline, broadband, TV license come to around £750 a month, leaving me £140 to live on. unfortunately as I was blissfully unaware of my wife leaving me, I also have things like sky and a mobile phone contract as I am still tied into these until around December, so in essence I am on a minus income most months. but not taking that into account. could anyone realistically say they could live an ok lifestyle on £140 a month, that's £30-£40 a week (that has to buy you food too mind)?

Not sure if serious. :confused:

How would you be able to afford your own home and so much tech on £900 a month without significant subsidizing? 11k is close to poverty line.

Hostile, how do you manage that? £11k barely covers my standard bills, either you were lucky and got you house very very cheap, or something doesn't add up :confused:
 
Hostile, how do you manage that? £11k barely covers my standard bills, either you were lucky and got you house very very cheap, or something doesn't add up :confused:

What do you do for work? Is there no chance of doing some additional training and changing careers?
 
Conversely how much tax have pensioners contributed over the course of their working lives only to be shafted whilst council estate mums live a life of relative luxury.

Once again, **** the poor, if they want to have a family then do something about it, don't just expect to be supported by the tax payer.

Have to say I feel that same. How you can sit on your unemployed ass for years on end without a job is literally something I cannot understand. ANYONE can find a job.

Having kids whilst being unemployed is just ridiculous. Throw them the barest amount of pennies which will hopefully force the thick, ignorant parents to do something for themselves for a change and not wait for the state to wipe their dirty little bums for them time and time again. The sense of entitlement these people have is just .... wow.

I'm sorry but we have enough parasites that leech and mooch from working people. It has to stop somewhere.

Naturally the above doesn't go for people who lost their jobs and are trying to find another one, but the insects that make it a lifestyle choice.
 
this is the thing. I average about £890 take home a month. My rent, council tax, water, electric, landline, broadband, TV license come to around £750 a month, leaving me £140 to live on. unfortunately as I was blissfully unaware of my wife leaving me, I also have things like sky and a mobile phone contract as I am still tied into these until around December, so in essence I am on a minus income most months. but not taking that into account. could anyone realistically say they could live an ok lifestyle on £140 a month, that's £30-£40 a week (that has to buy you food too mind)?

The problem with that salary is that anything can happen and you won't have the funds to support yourself (taking time off work, finding a new job etc).

Having a job to cover your outgoings is one thing, but earning enough for security is another.
 
A couple with two children now need to earn £36,800 a year to have a "socially acceptable" standard of living, an anti-poverty charity says.

The Joseph Rowntree Foundation said its annual minimum income study suggests families must earn a third more than in 2008, to live within social norms.

Oh my god thats terri- oh wait its fake poverty not real poverty, I was worried for a second.

In this country poverty is only having one car, a TV under 42", less than three games consoles and only being able to eat out once a week rofl.
 
What do you do for work? Is there no chance of doing some additional training and changing careers?

work in pc sales/repair. am looking into doing a law or accountancy course, but obviously these cost money and take time to do. as you can see, money isn't something I am blessed with, so it makes it difficult to think about doing anything different.

The problem with that salary is that anything can happen and you won't have the funds to support yourself (taking time off work, finding a new job etc).

Having a job to cover your outgoings is one thing, but earning enough for security is another.

this is it. its all well and good saying £18k is the ideal wage to be on. but in truth, I get NO housing benefit as apparently anyone under 35 that is single should live in shared housing (I have 2 kids that stay with me half the week, how is renting a tiny room in a shared house a safe or happy environment for them?) as the government upped it from 25 in January. I also got a yearly working tax credit payment of just under £40 to top my wages up to the magic (I think £13k) figure the government deem single people can live on. that's around £5k short of what is deemed 'acceptable',
huge difference in my opinion.

In this country poverty is only having one car, a TV under 42", less than three games consoles and only being able to eat out once a week rofl.

really? I would like to see you manage to stretch my income and eat out, let alone run a car.
 
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work in pc sales/repair. am looking into doing a law or accountancy course, but obviously these cost money and take time to do. as you can see, money isn't something I am blessed with, so it makes it difficult to think about doing anything different.

Bar job or supermarket work as a second job for the evening? Obviously it would be hellishly hard, but a hundred quid a week extra would probably be doable.
 
Bar job or supermarket work as a second job for the evening? Obviously it would be hellishly hard, but a hundred quid a week extra would probably be doable.

2 jobs, high tax. plus I would be doing distance learning in the evenings, and my days off I spend with my kids. its hard when I see their mum doing very little in the way of work (she is self employed but doesn't take a wage) getting hand outs left right and centre to be able to go abroad, run a car, live in a nice area.........she only has them half the friggin week, so why does she get everything? the system is flawed on so many levels.
 
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