Battlefield 4 - Thread

The problem is, irrelevant of whether it's BF4 or BF2143 or a BF1942 remake, is that they have removed the elements that made past BF games genuinely amazing teamplay experiences.

A true BF game has:
Commanders
Active squad leaders
Balanced classes (for team and objective based play not just for combat)
Balanced weapons (for team and objective based play not just for combat)
Balanced abilities (for team and objective based play not just for combat)
More vehicles
64 players
No less than 5 flags per map

It seems the limitations of consoles meant that all had to go, and that it's really the size of the servers that dictate what you can achieve, so IMO DICE took BF3 in a direction that meant it couldn't be directly compared to past BF games.

What made BF2142 great was the flow of information from commander to squad leader to soldier and the number of options available to players. Heading straight on into a battle wasn't your only option as it is in BF3, you could manoeuvre around the battlefield to gain an advantage or avoid situations that would put you at a disadvantage. You could send a cloaked squad member/leader to scout on ahead or place a spawn beacon behind enemy objectives, you could go after missile turrets instead of boarding the Titans, you could move your Titan closer to a more vulnerable enemy Titan for faster boarding, or over missile launchers to deny the enemy capturing them.

The great thing is that this would happen on pub servers. I remember logging on to 2142 and more or less every player knew exactly what they were doing every time I played. Of course 2142 had the benefit of BF2 before it, but in BF3 I see very little team play, to the extent where a squad of organised but otherwise average players can completely dominate a server.
 
I think out of all the battlefields, 1942, BC2 are the best, if you could take some of the elements of play from bf3 and put into bc2 you'd have the perfect game, perhaps update the graphics etc...

I only hope any bf4 is made for the pc rather than being a console port and i hope its not rushed out to get £££, but going on past bf products, i doubt this.
 
The problem is, irrelevant of whether it's BF4 or BF2143 or a BF1942 remake, is that they have removed the elements that made past BF games genuinely amazing teamplay experiences.

A true BF game has:
Commanders
Active squad leaders
Balanced classes (for team and objective based play not just for combat)
Balanced weapons (for team and objective based play not just for combat)
Balanced abilities (for team and objective based play not just for combat)
More vehicles
64 players
No less than 5 flags per map

Rubbish. Commanders was something specific to Battlefield 2 / Battlefield 2142

None of the other battlefield games, such as Battlefield 1942, Bad Company 2, etc.. had it.

It was an experiment that DICE argued didn't work. And i have to say I agree. 99 times out of 100 the commander made no actual real difference to the outcome of the game and just gave somebody something different to do, and mess about spotting enemy boats in the middle of Karkand.

I think one of the best ever battlefield games, wasn't even a battlefield game. And that was Desert Combat for 1942. I've never enjoyed a game as much since.
 
Given up on battlefield.... They will never again release a game that has a long shelve life and one in which the community can mod. They’ll just continue to spew out COD like games and milk people’s stupidity. I’m not saying BF3 was a bad game, I’m saying it was nowhere near a true sequel to the great BF2!

I’ve firmly moved over to Arma games mainly Dayz, which tbh does remind me of battlefield at times! If I want quick no thrills action I’l play css.

RIP Battlefield
 
Dice said that BFBC was designed for the consoles and BF was for the PC. That was when BC2 was in beta.

Their development cycle has obviously changed.

Now we are just going to get a roster update for BF2011 with multiple expansion packs and an iphone app.

So when's Arma III out again...
 
Rubbish. Commanders was something specific to Battlefield 2 / Battlefield 2142

None of the other battlefield games, such as Battlefield 1942, Bad Company 2, etc.. had it.

It was an experiment that DICE argued didn't work. And i have to say I agree. 99 times out of 100 the commander made no actual real difference to the outcome of the game and just gave somebody something different to do, and mess about spotting enemy boats in the middle of Karkand.

I think one of the best ever battlefield games, wasn't even a battlefield game. And that was Desert Combat for 1942. I've never enjoyed a game as much since.

That's just your experience and you can say that all you want, but the fact is that the team play mechanics that exist in BF2 and 2142 are superior to BF1942 and BF3. That is a fact, irrelevant of your opinion.

DICE's reaction to changing the fundamentals of how the BF series played to that date (including the commander) was one based on marketing and a desire to rival COD. If you believe otherwise, you're just buying into their BS.
 
I miss the days of 1942, when the game was decent, do what CS did, re-release on a better NON PORTED engine and destructible environments, done

Screw the lets offer everyone to pay us more money to unlock everything and take the fun out of achievement!
 
That's just your experience and you can say that all you want, but the fact is that the team play mechanics that exist in BF2 and 2142 are superior to BF1942 and BF3. That is a fact, irrelevant of your opinion.

DICE's reaction to changing the fundamentals of how the BF series played to that date (including the commander) was one based on marketing and a desire to rival COD. If you believe otherwise, you're just buying into their BS.


Look at the AC-130 being on-rails on PC, by all means rail it for consoles due to there only being 12 ADHD players per team but make it pilot-able on PC or at the least make it a server side option, again Dice develops the game for consoles and **** on the PC in the process. They really have butchered the franchise

BF3 really needs some sort of "veteren" mode, which in catering to older BF players would allow it to be flyable. The stupids can have the AC-130 on-rails mode.

Regarding Commander, it is just one of many features removed from BF3 that dumbs down the gameplay and removes many gameplay elements that add longevity, depth and strategy to the game. A good commander can make all the difference on the battlefield with squads that want to PTO. It never got old sneaking in to the enemies base and destroying the commanders assets with C4.

At least planetside 2 will have a commander role, that's one title that will put Badcompanyfield 3 in its place on PC.
 
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A true BF game has:
Commanders
Active squad leaders
Balanced classes
Balanced weapons
Balanced abilities
Lot's of vehicles
128 players
No less than 5 flags per map

It seems the limitations of console-players' intelligence meant that all had to go, and that it's really the size of their brains that dictate what you can achieve, so IMO DICE took BF3 in a direction that meant it couldn't be directly compared to BF2.
 
Look at the AC-130 being on-rails on PC, by all means rail it for consoles due to there only being 12 ADHD players per team but make it pilot-able on PC or at the least make it a server side option, again Dice develops the game for consoles and **** on the PC in the process. They really have butchered the franchise

BF3 really needs some sort of "veteren" mode, which in catering to older BF players would allow it to be flyable. The stupids can have the AC-130 on-rails mode.

Regarding Commander, it is just one of many features removed from BF3 that dumbs down the gameplay and removes many gameplay elements that add longevity, depth and strategy to the game. A good commander can make all the difference on the battlefield with squads that want to PTO. It never got old sneaking in to the enemies base and destroying the commanders assets with C4.

At least planetside 2 will have a commander role, that's one title that will put Badcompanyfield 3 in its place on PC.

have to agree with this.


Let the Die Hards have what they want, call it BF3 Classic and make it a separate game type or something so that people can filter it out if they dont want it.

Let the veterans play the game they want with commander, and let those who like the game the way it is carry on playing.

There is no reason for NOT doing this, other than that DICE simply don't give a damn.
 
Battlefield is redundant with Planetside 2 around the corner. It has pretty much EVERYTHING that Battlefield should have had. Larger player counts, HUGE maps, in game VOIP, Commander mode etc lol Battlefield is so damn rubbish.
 
Dice said that BFBC was designed for the consoles and BF was for the PC. That was when BC2 was in beta.

Their development cycle has obviously changed.

Now we are just going to get a roster update for BF2011 with multiple expansion packs and an iphone app.

So when's Arma III out again...


DICE actually said BF3 was specifically for the PC until half way through development they or EA wanted to focus on consoles
 
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