True Blood - Season 5

Will contain some minor spoilers, but it is well worth watching it!!!! :D


Looks like they have a lot to cover in the next 7 episodes :cool:


Honestly don't know how this season will end, always had a rough idea for the previous seasons, but for this one there are too many outcomes and factors to consider! Which I like! :D :p


Great to see more of Russell as well.

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Also anyone else notice that Bill is glamouring Sookie?!?! :eek: She can't be glamoured :confused:
 
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Another great episode :cool: Some funny scenes as well :D

Was not expecting that ending at all! :eek:



Spoilers below about episode 6:




It is pretty much guaranteed that Salome is sided with Nora and Russell :p

Honestly think that Salome is Russell's progeny after seeing that.

Thought Roman would have been in the show for a bit longer.

Although why on earth did none of his crew help him out??? :confused:

All stood around just watching, you would think that Eric or/and Bill would have at least done something........ considering Russell isn't at full strength

Wasn't expecting Kibwe to be a sanguinista either.......
 
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Nexus18 said:
Another great episode :cool: Some funny scenes as well :D

Was not expecting that ending at all! :eek:
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I have to say, I did see it coming somewhat:

As soon as Roman waltzed in to the room triumphantly waving a bottle of antique blood, I knew that he was done for. Salome was clearly uncomfortable about Russell being executed - she knew that Roman's decision to execute him had signed his own death, and I believe that she was genuinely attached to Roman.

What I'm not sure about is why Salome is standing by Russell: The simple answer is that Russell is her maker (he's certainly old enough, and it has been said that he inserts himself into human politics) - but if so, why didn't Salome dig Russell up right away? Why wait over a year to rescue him? I suspect that the vial of "Lilith's blood" has something to do with it. Perhaps Salome was taking instructions from her "God" Lilith? ...Or maybe Salome had nothing to do with it, and it's all a red herring?

Also - Molly clearly has a role to play in all this. She's not just there as tech support for the Authority... Is she also being influenced by Lilith?

And yes - I also found it odd that none of the other chancellors tried to help Roman. At least two of them are over 2000 years old (Salome and Dieter) - probably three (Kibwe?). Surely they could have stopped Russell?

Anyway - the rest of the series should be really interesting. I like it when shows start to wind up the scale - I hope that the current drama escalates to a full-scale civil war of some kind. I only hope that they don't try and wrap it all up all nice and neat before the end of the series. Ideally I'd like to see one, maybe two more series maximum, with this story continued and extended throughout. Humans vs Vampires vs Vampire renegades, with fairies and other supes thrown in - now that would be a story.


Also, what is it with the inconsistency when vampires are staked... Sometimes they explode instantly, and other times they take a good few seconds:

It can't just be to do with age or the implement used... For example, chancellor Drew popped like a balloon, whereas Roman held on long enough for an agonising scream (which was pretty well done actually), and a cool "melty-face" shot. They were both staked with the same implement so...

Likewise, in series 4 when Bill staked the bewitched sheriff in his office, the sheriff held on long enough to look Bill in the eye and say "resurrection!" However most other vampires seem to explode instantly (e.g. Franklyn, or that Vampire that was drinking from Hoyt).

Could it be to do with the speed at which the stake is removed? Or just a plot device for convenient final words? Is this explained anywhere in the books at all?
 
^^^ answering my own question above regarding staking:

When a vampire is stabbed completely through the heart with a wooden stake, or shot in the heart with a wooden bullet: There are two ways in which vampires will die when exposed to this method. If a vampire is struck quickly and directly through their heart (this always happens with wooden bullets), they will explode on impact like a balloon, spraying blood and guts everywhere. When, however, a vampire is pierced through their heart more slowly and carefully, their eyes will turn blue and red cracks will appear on their faces before they dissolve and "implode".
This appears to be the preferred method of execution for all forms of Vampire government, and they have ceremonial metal tipped wooden stakes which are used to carry out the executions.
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http://trueblood.wikia.com/wiki/True_Death
 
Regarding your spoilers (about episode 6):



I knew that he would eventually die at some point, but I wasn't expecting it to happen till at least the 2nd last episode. Also just having a look on IMDB for the next lot of episodes, he is shown to be cast in every single one :confused:

HOW?!?! Unless they are flashbacks?


Indeed, had my suspicions about Salome being Russell's progeny since the 3rd episode or something :p But that episode pretty much confirmed it.

It was way too obvious that Salome was behind this whole thing, in some ways I was hoping that the writers were doing that in order to divert our attention away from it being someone else, which we wouldn't have expected at all.

Maybe he had to regain some strength first in order to summon her to his location or/and was just waiting for the right time to free him?

A lot of people on IMDB are saying that Salome is Lilth, I don't see how that is possible though, why would she be taking orders from a 500 year old vampire in the first place?

We are going to see Lilth in the next episode, although I think it is going to be a spirit instead as at the end Nora was doing her thing and we hear like breeze/wind, so it looks like Nora will be the vessel for Lilth.

Also why on earth would they keep Nora for this long now, they could have just got rid of her in the 2nd episode, she must have a purpose.

I don't think Molly has a part in this at all as she genuinely looked surprised when the istake didn't go off. It was Salome who messed with the istake/iphone as Roman told her to put a istake on Russell, maybe Molly put one on him but Salome changed the iphone app so that it wasn't set up for the istake Russell had on him.

Salome wouldn't have helped, even though she seemed to be sad about what happened with Roman with the crying etc. (maybe Russell is just using the "as your maker I command you.........." line to control her but she really doesn't want to be following his commands, much like it is with Tara and Pam currently).

It is pretty much confirmed that Kibwe (not sure what age he is, on the true blood wiki, it just puts him as "ancient" for age) is against main streaming after the bus scene, he could have just glamoured them all and killing humans like that certainly goes against Roman's methods, he is most likely sided with Russell/Salome.

I think the only chancellors that are with Roman in this main streaming movement are Dieter and Rosalyn (they will probably meet the true death in the next episode though)


Unfortunately it most likely will be wrapped up by the end of this season :(


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As you said, it might just be the speed at which their hearts are staked as the only times when they slowly die is when the stake enters their heart slowly and when rapid like a gunshot, rapid stake etc. it is instant.

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Just seen your post above, yeah thought that might be it as well.
 
Nexus18 said:
I knew that he would eventually die at some point, but I wasn't expecting it to happen till at least the 2nd last episode. Also just having a look on IMDB for the next lot of episodes, he is shown to be cast in every single one :confused:

HOW?!?! Unless they are flashbacks?


Indeed, had my suspicions about Salome being Russell's progeny since the 3rd episode or something :p But that episode pretty much confirmed it.

It was way too obvious that Salome was behind this whole thing, in some ways I was hoping that the writers were doing that in order to divert our attention away from it being someone else, which we wouldn't have expected at all.

Maybe he had to regain some strength first in order to summon her to his location or/and was just waiting for the right time to free him?

A lot of people on IMDB are saying that Salome is Lilth, I don't see how that is possible though, why would she be taking orders from a 500 year old vampire in the first place?

We are going to see Lilth in the next episode, although I think it is going to be a spirit instead as at the end Nora was doing her thing and we hear like breeze/wind, so it looks like Nora will be the vessel for Lilth.

Also why on earth would they keep Nora for this long now, they could have just got rid of her in the 2nd episode, she must have a purpose.

I don't think Molly has a part in this at all as she genuinely looked surprised when the istake didn't go off. It was Salome who messed with the istake/iphone as Roman told her to put a istake on Russell, maybe Molly put one on him but Salome changed the iphone app so that it wasn't set up for the istake Russell had on him.

Salome wouldn't have helped, even though she seemed to be sad about what happened with Roman with the crying etc. (maybe Russell is just using the "as your maker I command you.........." line to control her but she really doesn't want to be following his commands, much like it is with Tara and Pam currently).

It is pretty much confirmed that Kibwe (not sure what age he is, on the true blood wiki, it just puts him as "ancient" for age) is against main streaming after the bus scene, he could have just glamoured them all and killing humans like that certainly goes against Roman's methods, he is most likely sided with Russell/Salome.

I think the only chancellors that are with Roman in this main streaming movement are Dieter and Rosalyn (they will probably meet the true death in the next episode though)


Unfortunately it most likely will be wrapped up by the end of this season :(
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Until that "triumphant" scene - yes, I also expected Roman to stick around. But that scene just seemed like a setup for his own death. There was simply no way that Russell would die at this point - he's far too good a character - and Russell living could mean only Roman's death.

I can't see Russell "waiting to gain strength" while in the ground encased in concrete... He wouldn't be growing any stronger. Salome being his progeny is a nice neat explanation, but I suspect that there will be a somewhat more perverse explanation than that.

As for Roman - we assume that he's dead (and rightly so given that he was staked), but we can't be 100% sure. We didn't actually see him die, and perhaps he wasn't "fully" staked? Unlikely but possible... Also it's possible that Lilith or someone else has the power of resurrection? After all, Russell held on to Talbot's remains in the hope / knowledge that he could be one day resurrected... Who knows what he's seen in 3000 years? It's reasonable to assume that Roman's gone, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he will survive or be reborn.

As for Lilith - I can't wait to see how they play her. It seems that Russell hasn't (knowingly) met her in his 3000 year existence... I think that she will appear "in the flesh", though it wouldn't surprise me if someone has to make a sacrifice in order for her to appear (Nora?). Given the strong religious overtones of the story, and the apparent connections they are making with Christianity (The vampire "Bible", the "Judas spear", Biblical Salome) I'm expecting a resurrection of some kind to take place.


I still think that Molly has a larger role to play in some way shape or form, whether or not she had anything directly to do with the "istake" app malfunctioning :)

Kibwe's bus-massacre scene was certainly unexpected to say the least...
 
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Duff-Man said:
Until that "triumphant" scene - yes, I also expected Roman to stick around. But that scene just seemed like a setup for his own death. There was simply no way that Russell would die at this point - he's far too good a character - and Russell living could mean only Roman's death.

I can't see Russell "waiting to gain strength" while in the ground encased in concrete... He wouldn't be growing any stronger. Salome being his progeny is a nice neat explanation, but I suspect that there will be a somewhat more perverse explanation than that.

As for Roman - we assume that he's dead (and rightly so given that he was staked), but we can't be 100% sure. We didn't actually see him die, and perhaps he wasn't "fully" staked? Unlikely but possible... Also it's possible that Lilith or someone else has the power of resurrection? After all, Russell held on to Talbot's remains in the hope / knowledge that he could be one day resurrected... Who knows what he's seen in 3000 years? It's reasonable to assume that Roman's gone, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he will survive or be reborn.

As for Lilith - I can't wait to see how they play her. It seems that Russell hasn't (knowingly) met her in his 3000 year existence... I think that she will appear "in the flesh", though it wouldn't surprise me if someone has to make a sacrifice in order for her to appear (Nora?).

I still think that Molly has a larger role to play in some way shape or form, whether or not she had anything directly to do with the "istake" app malfunctioning :)

Kibwe's bus-massacre scene was certainly unexpected to say the least...
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I wasn't expecting either of them to die and for nothing to happen like that till near the end of the season.

I was just expecting for their to be a fight between them or something :p And possibly one or two of the chancellors (Rosalyn and possibly Dieter) to be killed by Russell instead.

Remember though he was extremely weak and I would imagine summoning your progeny would require some strength and Eric and Bill knew that he would eventually get out at some point due to the regen (he would very slowly regain strength, the regen. is only speed up if they have drank some blood or something like that iirc)

I just re-watched the staking scene and it was actually a full rapid stake, could have sworn that it was slowly done, honestly no idea how he could survive that :confused:

Russell seemed to be at more or less full strength as well during that part, so maybe Salome didn't silver him and torture him like she said?

True, maybe that vial of Lilth's blood may have something to do with it?

Or something, which you hinted at there, Roman being the sacrifice......

Possibly, just can't see what part she would play in this plot though.

Also pretty sure that Steve Newlin will be a part of this to.

Wonder what the Godric scene will be?



This season really is the hardest one so far to predict what will happen :p
 
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Nexus18 said:
This season really is the hardest one so far to predict what will happen :p
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I certainly agree with you there! It's turning out to be quite a cracker so far (or at least the main storyline is - the side stories for all the secondary characters feel more and more like "filler" every year. Lets have a massacre of secondary characters and get it over with!).

I'm glad that the show is getting back on track - I wasn't really very impressed with series 4.
 
Yeah, this season all the side story lines do feel like an "afterthought" compared to previous seasons.

The whole fire storyline with Terry etc. started getting good in the last episode and in this episode it just went back down the drain :p Going by the comic con trailer, it looks like lafayette will solve that problem/curse. Kind of curious to see what this Jesus thing is all about though.

The fairy storyline with Jason and Sookie is turning out to be quite good and also quite liking how things are going with Alcide and the pack as well as Sam, Andy, Luna and the hunters.

Also quite liking the Pam and Tara story line, think things may get a bit heated between them :D :p

Couldn't give a toss about Hoyt :p

Missing some characters though like Maxine :( But ruby jean is a nice substitute for her so far, she had a great scene with lafayette in episode 6 :D
 
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Most of the side stories are "okay" - entertaining enough. But every scene I just find myself wanting to get back to the main Authority / Russell / Lilith storyline. Everything else seems like a distraction.

I do like the Tara / Pam dynamic though. Kristin Bauer van Straten (Pam) plays the character so well, and her quasi-lesbian-dominatrix dynamic with Tera is working very well. And "gay vampire American" Steve Newlin steals every scene that he's in...

But apart from that I just don't really care. Fire demon Iraq story? Meh (though the demon itself looks cool). Lafayette's new magical issues? Meh. Alcide and the pack... couldn't care less. Sam and Luna? Bit fat "meh". As for Hoyt - seems like they just needed something for him to do. Yes there are the occasional classic scenes ("well I will tell him... Lafayette!!!") but for the most part it all seems like the writers are scratching around to concoct new dramas for the minor characters. I'd prefer to see them either involved in the main story, or appear only as occasional supporting roles.
 
Yeah I know what you mean and can see your point :)

I quite like it personally as it is a bit "refreshing" rather than just the authority story constantly, as much I like the Bill & Eric, Russell etc. scenes, I couldn't have the majority of the show being solely on the story line with just them and having Sam etc. involved in that main story line wouldn't really work.


He certainly does! :D

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I think Hoyt may get killed of this season as he isn't really a big character and as you said, it seemed like the writers didn't know what to do with him.


Sam's acting has been a little off this season so far as well :(, doesn't help that his lines etc. aren't great though, but in that last scene of his with Andy, it started to pick up a bit.
 
I think this season has really gone down the pan, and as for that demon ****?! what a half arsed idea! I'm a huge TB fan but this season really is pushing it!
 
Initiate level one protocol! :D

BTW Nexus, I appreciate you posting all the clips and episode guides in this thread. I know that the thread isn't too active, but I appreciate it nonetheless :)
 
Indeed! :D Pretty damn cool that scene. Also loved how Bill's main concern was Eric, really is a bromance relationship going on there :p


No problem :)
 
So - did True Blood just jump the shark? :(

I was really looking forward to the last episode, but I found it to be rather underwhelming, and perhaps a bit daft...

Russell and Eric are now friends? I really wasn't convinced by Russell's "conversion"

Neither was I convinced by the reason for Russell being there in the first place... Salome needed Russell to kill Roman because... Why? Killing a guardian is "a sin" and she was too yellow to do it herself? :confused: The Authority is only a few hundred years old (as evidenced by Eric in series 3), and yet it's written in the Vampire Bible that to spill the blood of a guardian is a sin? Wtf? Unless "guardian" means the guardian of Lilith's blood?

Aileen's wedding video? *yawn*

Lilith "rising from the blood" at the end... Somewhat anticlimactic I thought. I hope they at least attempt to explain that... Unless she's just a hallucination, it all seems a little daft. A drop of blood appears from... where? And drops into another pool of blood which appears from... where? And out pops naked Lilith, complete with rather fake-looking bush?

On the plus side, Russell ripping off Deiter's head was quite amusing - though I liked Deiter - he was my favourite chancellor.

I was loving this series, though the last episode has given me quite a few concerns...
 
Just finished watching it there and yup, wasn't a great episode, probably the weakest one of this season so far, in fact probably the weakest one out of all the seasons :(

I didn't like how they have made Russell forgive Eric and why Roman was killed by Russell etc. all seemed a bit stupid that storyline :(

I think the whole Lilth and the blood dropping down was just a hallucination as when Godric appeared and finished his line, Eric seemed to be "aware" and I think that view was from his perspective when Nora was looking up at "lilth" but she wasn't actually there, I think............

The whole Jason and Jessica scene seemed rather rushed/over the top as well

At least Russell is still entertaining to watch :D

Loved Andy's interview in the gun shop :p

Pretty interested in lafayette storyline now with that woman.


I think they should have never brought Lilth into this and just stuck to something more simpler like Russell and Salome etc. taking the rest of the authority down

The lilth story line did seem excellent up until that episode though :(


At least the Tare and Pam storyline is still pretty good, I reckon either one of them or both will kill Lettie Mae.

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Also awful acting by that hate group that Hoyt is now a member of...........
Lets hope this picks up in the next episode as so far the rest of the season has been pretty much superb.

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Eric had soooooo many good lines in that episode! :D Probably the best parts of the episode :p
 
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Nexus18 said:
Just finished watching it there and yup, wasn't a great episode, probably the weakest one of this season so far, in fact probably the weakest one out of all the seasons :(

I didn't like how they have made Russell forgive Eric and why Roman was killed by Russell etc. all seemed a bit stupid that storyline :(

*Agreed*

I think the whole Lilth and the blood dropping down was just a hallucination as when Godric appeared and finished his line, Eric seemed to be "aware" and I think that view was from his perspective when Nora was looking up at "lilth" but she wasn't actually there, I think............

*Actually yes... yes, I think you're right...*


The whole Jason and Jessica scene seemed rather rushed/over the top as well

*Yes... it was rather strange. Though I did like the "boom headshot" response to being bitten - his first vampire bite I think.*


At least Russell is still entertaining to watch :D

* "Edgington... Russell, Edgington." :D Russell is sublime, definitely the best character IMO. I don't really buy his 'conversion' - I think he's just playing along to see where it goes. He is, after all, "madder than a ****ing hatter", and 3,000 years will have taught him patience. He can always kill Eric "tomorrow".


Loved Andy's interview in the gun shop :p

*Andy's scenes are always fun!*


Pretty interested in lafayette storyline now with that woman.

*Not me... All seemed rather boring*


I think they should have never brought Lilth into this and just stuck to something more simpler like Russell and Salome etc. taking the rest of the authority down

The lilth story line did seem excellent up until that episode though :(

*Agreed. I was holding out such hope... Well, lets see. Maybe they will turn it around*


At least the Tare and Pam storyline is still pretty good, I reckon either one of them or both will kill Lettie Mae.

*I don't think so... I think Lettie Mae is done with for now. But yeah, I still really like Pam and Tara's dynamic. Tara's 'unexpected hugs' scene was quite amusing :D *


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Also awful acting by that hate group that Hoyt is now a member of...........

*Eugh. Absolutely terrible. And I didn't buy his sudden turnaround at all. Yes I know we're supposed to realise that Hoyt is just seeking attention and acceptance, but still, a rather unconvincing 180-degree turn. I think the writers are trying too hard to find something for him to do*
Lets hope this picks up in the next episode as so far the rest of the season has been pretty much superb.
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[responses in the above spoiler tags :) ]

After the epic conclusion to the last episode (which was arguably one of, if not *the* best conclusions to an episode of the entire show), this episode has certainly been a bit of a let-down.
 
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