parking fine, not police or council

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so its obviously going to get ignored. However I was annoyed that they have sent me pictures of my car, have obviously bought my details or been sold them by the DVLA and are expecting money.
Added to the fact that the driver was using the shop who hire these prats, just made my grumpy monday slightly more grumpy. Company is g24 Ltd (dont think they are competitors)

Nothing I can do i guess, just thought I would whip up a thread for other's to contribute too, I also got annoyed when I googled this and saw possibility of debt collection agencies.
 
You're doing the right thing by ignoring it. They'll send scary letters with official-looking headed paper, but they'll give up eventually because they know they can't enforce it. The only "debt" they can legally claim off you (or whoever) is the amount of money they can prove they lost by that car being parked there. They're not going to sue or send debt collectors over 50p or whatever lol-worthy amount it comes to.
 
wipe your ass with it. They can't enforce it. Wipe your ass on any subsequent BS letters they send you talking about hauling your ass to court. They won't, its not profitable for them, plus they will lose in court. What they rely on is peoples fear of official looking letters. That fear then makes people cough up the money.
 
atpbx said:
First- Motors forum.

Second- Bin.
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Not everyone venture into Motors. I found this interesting and can now bear that in mind. Also with regards to debt collectors - I found this interested...

MSE said:
"Debt recovery agents" are completely powerless individuals who can't do a thing. In the incredibly rare event that one should turn up at your door (and they won't in this case, as G24's business model is 100% mail based and relies only on scaring and misleading people by letter) you tell them to scarper and if they don't budge you call the police and have them nicked.

Bailiffs, on the other hand, work for courts, and will only execute a warrant in the scenario identified by Orford above. Again, that isn't going to happen because there is not a single known instance of G24 suing anyone. (They don't sue because civil penalties are unenforceable. As I have said, their business model consists solely of sending out misleading threat-o-grams and waiting for the cheques to roll in.)
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Mr Jones said:
Not everyone venture into Motors. I found this interesting and can now bear that in mind. Also with regards to debt collectors - I found this interested...
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Half true.

Debt Collectors are only powerless if you don't let them enter your premises. Once you've let them in, they can not only execute debt recovery but can come back at a later date and do it. Even if you leave window open which they can get through it's enough for them to claim they've gained entry and can then start taking stuff.

So the real advice is don't answer the door, converse with them through an upstairs window and make sure they can't get in which case they are powerless.

As your post pointed out this is not true for baliffs who enforce Government and Council debts and can break into your house if needs be top recover stuff.
 
thanks for the confirmations. Still annoys me that the DVLA sold my details to some cowboy company. Im sure its written in the T&C's when you renew a tax disc, then its catch 22 - dont agree to have details sold means no road tax, means not getting to work easily - broken government is broken
 
estebanrey said:
Debt Collectors are only powerless if you don't let them enter your premises. Once you've let them in, they can not only execute debt recovery but can come back at a later date and do it. Even if you leave window open which they can get through it's enough for them to claim they've gained entry and can then start taking stuff.

So the real advice is don't answer the door, converse with them through an upstairs window and make sure they can't get in which case they are powerless.
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Seriously?! They can 'break in' if the window is open?
 
Mr Jones said:
Seriously?! They can 'break in' if the window is open?
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Yes and no.
if its open but on a "latch" and they force it then its classed as breaking in and they should be arrested.

if its open and can be simply opened wider i think they are alloud to enter and take your stuffs!
 
You guys are mixing up debt collectors and bailiffs. Court appointed bailiffs have powers, private debt collection companies don't. They certainly can't break in at all in the slightest.

Bailiffs can gain entry via open windows and the like, and also once they've gained entry to the property and marked the goods they can in future break in to claim them.
 
MacRS4 said:
You guys are mixing up debt collectors and bailiffs. Court appointed bailiffs have powers, private debt collection companies don't. They certainly can't break in at all in the slightest.

Bailiffs can gain entry via open windows and the like, and also once they've gained entry to the property and marked the goods they can in future break in to claim them.
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No we're not mixing them up that's the point. I think you've misunderstood what I said.

I said bailiffs acting on behalf of a court order can break in. Debt Collectors can't but if you leave an opening wide enough for them to get in then they can, be it an open window or a door on the latch.
 
I said bailiffs acting on behalf of a court order can break in. Debt Collectors can't but if you leave an opening wide enough for them to get in then they can, be it an open window or a door on the latch.
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Debt collectors have no right of entry at all?
 
estebanrey said:
Half true.

Debt Collectors are only powerless if you don't let them enter your premises. Once you've let them in, they can not only execute debt recovery but can come back at a later date and do it. Even if you leave window open which they can get through it's enough for them to claim they've gained entry and can then start taking stuff..
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Wrong, as Mac has pointed out.

So the real advice is don't answer the door, converse with them through an upstairs window and make sure they can't get in which case they are powerless.

As your post pointed out this is not true for baliffs who enforce Government and Council debts and can break into your house if needs be top recover stuff.
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They cannot break in, wrong again.
 
MacRS4 said:
Debt collectors have no right of entry at all?
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Sorry this is a semantics argument over the job title when my point was really about the type of debt.

Let me clarify, a bailiff representing a private debt (like this one or credit cards etc) can enter your house through and open window or if you have invited them in already but cannot force their way in otherwise.

A bailiff representing a government or council debt can break in and do what they want.

It's where the debt comes from that enforces what they can do, I should have used 'baliff' instead of 'debt collector' who cannot walk in without your permission under any circumstances.


http://www.money.co.uk/article/1009022-can-debt-collectors-enter-your-home.htm
 
Quite, debt collectors have no power at all. Bailiff isn't a job title, it's an appointment and that appointment carries certain rights. A debt collector is a private employee - they have no more rights than you or I.

Debt Collectors can't but if you leave an opening wide enough for them to get in then they can, be it an open window or a door on the latch.
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Semantics or not, the above is just wrong. A Bailiff needs court sanctioning to exercise their powers, and even then for civil debt you don't have to let them in. Sure they can gain access if they can get in without damaging anything (like through an open window as per the example), but they can't just bust your door down. Once they've been in and marked your goods they can though.

There's a few government debts where they can gain immediate access though, like you say. They're mostly taxation and customs based.
 
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-Ad- said:
They cannot break in, wrong again.
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On a one of those BBC programmes that follows them around they told a guy if he didn't remove the lock to his workshop, they would grind it off anyway.

I'm sure they wouldn't openly break the law on film (although tbf it might be different for places of business which in that case it was).

In some rare cases, bailiffs working for a magistrate’s court can legally break into your home, but only if:

You have unpaid criminal fines
You have unpaid Income Tax
You have unpaid VAT
However, even in these limited cases they should only break into your home as a last resort and after other reasonable measures have been pursed.



Read more: http://www.money.co.uk/article/1009022-can-debt-collectors-enter-your-home.htm#ixzz20nf4GViD
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