What we will we remember the 00's for?

estebanrey said:
Eh? So I come I know of the Beatles who IMO were as pop as pop can be.

P.S. Oasis are also pop, pop just mean popular. Just because you play a guitar and the drums doesn't mean you aint 'pop'.
Click to expand...

That's some pretty awesome nitpicking, I'm sure you knew what he meant.
 
estebanrey said:
Fair enough but the Beatles point still stands, then there's Madonna, Elton John, Kylie etc.

To claim pop artists don't have longevity and only rock bands do is demonstrably false.
Click to expand...
I don't think Kylie will be remembered in time,

Madonna & Elvis (the best examples of "pop singers") are only remembered because of the drama/controversy/being a fashion icon, not really for musical talent.

Elton John is an actual song-writer/pianist - so not really comparable, he's a solo artist not a "pop musician".

The Beatles while poppy in style, could write songs & play instruments - something which modern pop artists can't do.

Rock music which becomes popular, isn't the same as pop music - which is made popular (in a commercial manufactured sense through exposure).

To nit pick further.

"Pop music (a term that originally derives from an abbreviation of "popular") is a genre of popular music which originated in its modern form in the 1950s, deriving from rock and roll. The terms popular music and pop music are often used interchangeably, even though the former is a description of music which is popular (and can include any style), whilst the latter is a specific genre containing qualities of mass appeal."

I (clearly) meant the latter.

This quote puts it best,

According to Simon Frith pop music is produced "as a matter of enterprise not art", is "designed to appeal to everyone" and "doesn't come from any particular place or mark off any particular taste". It is "not driven by any significant ambition except profit and commercial reward ... and, in musical terms, it is essentially conservative". It is, "provided from on high (by record companies, radio programmers and concert promoters) rather than being made from below ... Pop is not a do-it-yourself music but is professionally produced and packaged"
 
Last edited:
Pop and pop-culture has nothing to do with talent. It never has done.

Andy Warhol is not remembered because he was a brilliant or talented artist.

Similarly I don't think you can call bands like The Beatles and Radiohead 'pop' music just because they have achieved some sort of 'popularity'. Popularity and pop-culture, though sharing the same etymological root, are not necessarily the same thing. Just as the populist will not always necessarily be popular. They are rock bands that have reached mainstream 'popular' culture. Are they pop bands because of it? No, not really. Sgt. Pepper isn't really comparable to the Spice Girls... or is it?
 
I'd say Lost, 24 and The Sopranos were bigger than The Wire.

Sopranos: Average viewing figures over all seasons = 8.08 million
24: 11.48 million
Lost: 13.87 million

At its peak, The Wire had 4 million.
 
The Wire was the critics' choice, though, and they're the ones who cement this sort of thing.

Just like the highest-grossing box office hits of this decade won't necessarily be the films that 'define' the decade (I hope especially in the case of Avatar... shudder)
 
InKursion said:
The Wire was the critics' choice, though, and they're the ones who cement this sort of thing.

Just like the highest-grossing box office hits of this decade won't necessarily be the films that 'define' the decade (I hope especially in the case of Avatar... shudder)
Click to expand...

Is it always critically acclaimed music that defines a decade?
 
I suppose it depends what sort of list you are forming. A 'best-sellers' or 'popularity' list, or an 'influence' and 'cultural' impact list. They are certainly two different things. The Wire had all the critics and pundits talking for years, it was a big sensation... but more people probably tuned into Eastenders every week.
 
InKursion said:
I suppose it depends what sort of list you are forming. A 'best-sellers' or 'popularity' list, or an 'influence' and 'cultural' impact list. They are certainly two different things. The Wire had all the critics and pundits talking for years, it was a big sensation... but more people probably tuned into Eastenders every week.
Click to expand...

American Idol dominated the ratings in the US for many years now, and sadly it kinda does define the 00s as a result. :(
 
krooton said:
American Idol dominated the ratings in the US for many years now, and sadly it kinda does define the 00s as a result. :(
Click to expand...

Mr Fuller was also responsible for one of the defining aspects of the 90s too, The Spice Girls.

Unfortunately, I think think his aim of making Andy Murray a PR hit won't work out as well. :D
 
estebanrey said:
Mr Fuller was also responsible for one of the defining aspects of the 90s too, The Spice Girls.

Unfortunately, I think think his aim of making Andy Murray a PR hit won't work out as well. :D
Click to expand...

Well that's a shame because out of those three PR inventions he's the only person with some actual discernible talent and special ability.
 
Ahleckz said:
Do you think that she'll be talked about, or still around, like The Beatles/The Stones/Beach Boys/Hendrix/Madonna etc in 30 years time though? I very much doubt it.
Click to expand...

Possibly. She certainly seems to want to be remembered with her costumes and everything, and perhaps will be remembered for those more.

Yes I agree with you however, she doesn't compare to Madonna.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom