Ian Tomlinson unlawfully killed by Pc

Von Smallhausen · 25 May 2011 at 22:19

Westyfield2 said:
I CBA to multiquote everything Robbo and Robbie G have said, but I agree with them .

Sometimes I despair at this country. We've got a police officer who was clearing a riot area being done for manslaughter for simply pushing a man who was deliberately obstructing the police to tell him to GTFO. Yet in Yemen/Syria/Libya we've got unelected governments firing live rounds and cluster bombs at civilians. Seriously whiners, get a ****ing grip.

The push is the issue though.

Force can be used to move and clear people from an area or to accomplish a lawful objective but it should be proportionate, ie the minimum required.

Shoving him wasn't proportionate. Even if Mr Tomlinson got up and was ok, the force used exceeded what was required.

He should have had an arm taken by the officer or maybe two and walked away.

Danthus · 19 Jul 2012 at 14:48

Not guilty of manslaughter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18900484

matt_fsr · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:01

OldCoals said:
Not guilty of manslaughter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18900484

Massive surprise there then. :rolleyes:

Nathan · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:03

Fantastic news.

Danthus · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:04

matt_fsr said:
Massive surprise there then.

Why the roll eyes, the prosecution presented the evidence, the jury found him no guilty.

What is the problem?

Skunkworks · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:18

Anyone up for some looting?

Cosimo · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:23

Skunkworks said:
Anyone up for some looting?

With the Olympics just about upon us you'd probably get shot.

kinetic747 · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:34

simulatorman said:
With the Olympics just about upon us you'd probably get shot.

That's probably a fair assessment. The government has now approved plans to raise the number of military personnel deployed to protect the Olympics to 19,000 – double the number of troops now fighting in Afghanistan. I can't help but feel that the Olympics is a huge drain on our resources especially given the fact that austerity measures are forced down our throats on a daily basis. :confused:

Von Smallhausen · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:40

matt_fsr said:
Massive surprise there then.

It was the verdict I mostly expected.

Burnsy2023 · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:42

Von Smallhausen said:
It was the verdict I mostly expected.

It should never have got this far. Nice to know that sense prevails though.

Von Smallhausen · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:48

His actions were shocking Burnsy and I've said that consistently but no court was going to prove that those actions were responsible for Mr Tomlinson's death.

Moley · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:48

Shame the Jury didn't get to hear about the TEN other violent incidents Harwood has had complaints lodged against him over his 12 year career and how he dodged the more serious ones by resigning temporarily and then coming back again.

He's a violent thug who has no place in the ranks of our police force.

Sauce: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...2-years-for-the-red-mist-officer-7959576.html

mmj_uk · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:49

I sincerely hope he's kicked out of the police force though, the police want respect and yet harbour thugs like him in their ranks.

Resident · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:52

Tute said:
But then most normal individuals would steer clear of possible conflict, not go wandering around aimlessly in front of it.

If IT had a working brain then this wouldn't have happened.

HE tried several times and was turned back into the 'conflict zone' every time. Several pieces of CCTV footage show this.

Calling Mr Tomlinson an 'IT' jus shows how sub-human you are. I'm willing to bet that if he was a member of your family you'd be clammoring for Harwood to be hung.

Castiel · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:54

Von Smallhausen said:
His actions were shocking Burnsy and I've said that consistently but no court was going to prove that those actions were responsible for Mr Tomlinson's death.

This. He should be punished by his employer and if necessary dismissed, but manslaughter?.....it seemed pretty unlikely.

Robbo · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:57

OldCoals said:
Not guilty of manslaughter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18900484

Brilliant decision.

This whole thing was a farce.

Chris [BEANS] · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:58

EDIT: As always, not worth getting involved

rodenal · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:59

Resident said:
Calling Mr Tomlinson an 'IT' jus shows how sub-human you are. I'm willing to bet that if he was a member of your family you'd be clammoring for Harwood to be hung.

Oh dear.....

TheDean · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:59

Moley said:
Shame the Jury didn't get to hear about the TEN other violent incidents Harwood has had complaints lodged against him over his 12 year career and how he dodged the more serious ones by resigning temporarily and then coming back again.

He's a violent thug who has no place in the ranks of our police force.

Sauce: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...2-years-for-the-red-mist-officer-7959576.html

I had no idea. What a disgrace to policing.

Chris [BEANS] · 19 Jul 2012 at 15:59

EDIT: As always, not worth getting involved