Ian Tomlinson unlawfully killed by Pc
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I'd hate to have been on the jury that acquitted him...
Won't be long until he's back in uniform and able to beat innocent civilians up at will, without the consequences that the rest of us would face for these actions.
Sure, Mr Tomlinson was being a bit of a prat on the day. I deal with prats most days at work, I certainly don't violently shove them to the floor!
Police Complaints aren't criminal convictions. The complaint could result in a disciplinary hearing after which the Officer could be found guilty, the sanctions available to Chief Officers scale from a repremant right though to dismissal from the force.
I don't know if Harwood was ever found guilty of any of the previous complaints or indeed faced disciplinary action.
Irrespective of this fact EVERYONE is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law. This includes Pc Harwood.
There are very few instances where you can bring up previous convictions in a Court of law.
The long and short of this incident is that (albeit eventually) Pc Harwood faced a criminal trial in a Crown Court. After having heard all the evidence the Jury (members of the public) decided he was not guilty of Manslaughter.
I suspect Pc Harwood may face internal Disciplinary proceedures and a possibility of a private prosection by Mr Tomlinsons family if they choose to do so.
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"In January, 2004, Harwood was the subject of a complaint over an allegation of assault during a raid at a home during a theft investigation. Pc Harwood grabbed a man around the neck and threw the man onto a table, breaking it, then punched him, according to a statement by a fellow officer."
"An officer, named as Pc Newman, said in a statement that he was injured during the fracas while trying to protect Pc Harwood. “I felt the entry into BE’s flat was not justified and that the actions of PC Harwood were unlawful… the assault on BE and the damage to his clothing and his lounge were also not, in my mind, lawful,” he said. Asked if he believed Pc Harwood went over the top, the officer said: “Yes.”"
"The jury at the criminal trial was told that he joined the force in 1995 but left in 2001 for personal reasons following a traffic accident in 1998. It was not told that he was involved in “road-rage type incident” while he was off duty that ended in a collision.
After the collision, Pc Harwood rushed at the driver, knocking him over and forcing him over the door of his car, said Matthew Ryder, QC, for the Tomlinson family at the inquest. He was also accused of falsifying arrest notes and unlawful arrest, said Mr Ryder."
Sounds like a disgusting violent thug with a history of violence & excessive force, but hey..., it was the fault of the elderly getleman he got pushed face first into the ground.
Oh wait, more.
"He was reported by a witness after he was involved in the arrest of a man named as Owusu Afriyie. The witness alleged that Pc Harwood kneed him in the groin to bring him to the ground after he butted a number of officers. He also allegedly kneed the suspect in the kidney after he had been brought to the ground and was in handcuffs"
"In 2008, an AA patrolman Junior Samms made a complaint after Pc Harwood was involved in stopping his vehicle. It is alleged that he twisted the handcuffs and shouted at Mr Samms.
Pc Harwood received a written warning later that year for using the police national computer to investigate the background of a driver involved in an accident with his wife."
"He received a call from his wife sending him into “red mist mode” the inquest heard. Pc Harwood admitted ignoring an officer’s warnings not to carry out a check. Mr Ryder told the inquest last year: “When Pc Harwood is under pressure or he is angry, he is prone to unlawful violence. He acts excessively."
These are not accusations made by criminals, half of these are from fellow police officers.
"An officer, named as Pc Newman, said in a statement that he was injured during the fracas while trying to protect Pc Harwood. “I felt the entry into BE’s flat was not justified and that the actions of PC Harwood were unlawful… the assault on BE and the damage to his clothing and his lounge were also not, in my mind, lawful,” he said. Asked if he believed Pc Harwood went over the top, the officer said: “Yes.”"
"The jury at the criminal trial was told that he joined the force in 1995 but left in 2001 for personal reasons following a traffic accident in 1998. It was not told that he was involved in “road-rage type incident” while he was off duty that ended in a collision.
After the collision, Pc Harwood rushed at the driver, knocking him over and forcing him over the door of his car, said Matthew Ryder, QC, for the Tomlinson family at the inquest. He was also accused of falsifying arrest notes and unlawful arrest, said Mr Ryder."
Sounds like a disgusting violent thug with a history of violence & excessive force, but hey..., it was the fault of the elderly getleman he got pushed face first into the ground.
This tbh.
Oh wait, more.
"He was reported by a witness after he was involved in the arrest of a man named as Owusu Afriyie. The witness alleged that Pc Harwood kneed him in the groin to bring him to the ground after he butted a number of officers. He also allegedly kneed the suspect in the kidney after he had been brought to the ground and was in handcuffs"
"In 2008, an AA patrolman Junior Samms made a complaint after Pc Harwood was involved in stopping his vehicle. It is alleged that he twisted the handcuffs and shouted at Mr Samms.
Pc Harwood received a written warning later that year for using the police national computer to investigate the background of a driver involved in an accident with his wife."
"He received a call from his wife sending him into “red mist mode” the inquest heard. Pc Harwood admitted ignoring an officer’s warnings not to carry out a check. Mr Ryder told the inquest last year: “When Pc Harwood is under pressure or he is angry, he is prone to unlawful violence. He acts excessively."
These are not accusations made by criminals, half of these are from fellow police officers.
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He was on trial for manslaughter moley. That information couldn't convict him and is largely irrelevant in the case against him.
I'm not defending him. He is a disgrace no argument.
He wasn't found guilty because before the paperwork could be completed he resigned from the force therefore halting the disciplinary process dead in its tracks!
On one occasion he resigned on the Friday and came back on the Monday as a civilian worker. He then later left and joined another force as a full PC again.
He's not only a violent thug, he's a devious individual who knows exactly how to play the system to get away with serious offences that would have your or I in serious trouble.
It's seems more of a case he was given the benefit of the doubt (wrongly).
I don't believe that a violent persons violent history is irrelevant when he's up for an offence of violence. I understand the judicial system in its 'wisdom' disagrees.
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Disgusting verdict, but predictable.
I guess all that can be hoped for now is that the earlier judgement of unlawful killing prevents in having any kind of policing or security role in future.
I think even the police were surprised he got away with it. Difficult to have faith when this sort of thing happens.
I've had a look at the Independant link and clearly he has used the system. They've been trying to change it for years, i.e. ensuring that Officers cannot resign prior to the disciplinary proceedures taking effect.
The problem with that is, the maximum penalty in a disciplinary proceedure is dismissal from the Police Force. Some cases can drag on for months and even years. In many cases it is cheaper for the public purse to allow an Officer to resign, thereby saving months of wages. The end result is the same - someone has been removed from the force for bad behaviour and public money is saved - what isn't so palatable is the fact that they have escaped an internal discipline. The thing is with an internal discipline is that it isn't a criminal conviction
Personally I believe that anyone that is required to resign from the Police, or dismissed following a complaint that has been upheld and warrants a dismissal, shouldn't be allowed to join the Police in future. Following on from that I also believe that no-one that has any criminal convictions as a member of the public should be allowed to join either (and yet there are many cases where they are).
The point is though, as Von Smallhausen has already said, none of the claims are relevant to the charge that he faced.
The problem with that is, the maximum penalty in a disciplinary proceedure is dismissal from the Police Force. Some cases can drag on for months and even years. In many cases it is cheaper for the public purse to allow an Officer to resign, thereby saving months of wages. The end result is the same - someone has been removed from the force for bad behaviour and public money is saved - what isn't so palatable is the fact that they have escaped an internal discipline. The thing is with an internal discipline is that it isn't a criminal conviction
Personally I believe that anyone that is required to resign from the Police, or dismissed following a complaint that has been upheld and warrants a dismissal, shouldn't be allowed to join the Police in future. Following on from that I also believe that no-one that has any criminal convictions as a member of the public should be allowed to join either (and yet there are many cases where they are).
The point is though, as Von Smallhausen has already said, none of the claims are relevant to the charge that he faced.
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Agreed. However, when citizens are more afraid of Police officers and the damage that they can do, compared to the damage criminals typically do, then you start to wonder what's severely wrong with this system?
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If all these accounts of Harwood are true then it won't be long before we hear about him again. Maybe next time he'll actually kill someone.
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I could have worded that better.Did Ian Thomlison survive then?
I meant more directly. He didn't actually "kill" Thomlison.