Ian Tomlinson unlawfully killed by Pc

[wazza300]

In my experience, people with your attitude don't like them because they have to deal with them on a regular basis. I wonder why that is...

never been in trouble, i just dont like there attitude,thread subject sums it up perfectly,just a bunch of morons,read an article in other days paper they raided the wrong house,should have been next door,i rest my case

 

[Robbo]

never been in trouble, i just dont like there attitude,thread subject sums it up perfectly,just a bunch of morons,read an article in other days paper they raided the wrong house,should have been next door,i rest my case

So they make mistakes, everyone does.

It seems very bizarre to brand the entire UK police force as a "bunch of morons", it makes you appear childish in the extreme.

 

[wazza300]

musnt feed the troll

 

[estebanrey]

Shoved then, probably what you'd expect if you stand in the way of a riot squad that's telling you to move.

Shoved AND struck with a baton.

So it's now illegal to walk a few feet in front of police officers with your hands your pockets. Great.

 

[Robbo]

musnt feed the troll

Your 'opinions' are absolutely daft and entirely baseless.

Shoved AND struck with a baton.

So it's now illegal to walk a few feet in front of police officers with your hands your pockets. Great.

Deary me. They are riot police, trying to control a riot zone, screaming at someone to move.

If you just stand there like an idiot, you're going to get pushed. He was extremely foolish.

 

[Danthus]

Shoved AND struck with a baton.

So it's now illegal to walk a few feet in front of police officers with your hands your pockets. Great.

Where has anyone suggested that it was illegal?

 

[KNiVES]

Hyperbole. Do you know what slaughter means?

The people police deal with are the dregs of society - drug addicts, alcoholics, homeless or a combination. It's inevitable that these people will be on death's door - so if they are going to get arrested after breaking the law then that's the point at which I'd say they're likely to die.

I do however believe that there must be at least some form of unlawful killing going on in police cells. I don't like the police in general and I've found many of them to consider themselves above everybody else. I don't for one second doubt that lots of people take a beating in the cells or the back of a meatwagon.

However to say there's slaughter going on I don't think is correct. I don't expect any police officers kill people intentionally, I'd suspect it's poor handling and excessive violence that does it, contempt rather than intent.

There are deaths in police custody on average every 5.5 days. Slaughter is a subjective term, but I'm willing to use it here.

 

[wazza300]

anyone can see that there was no need for what the police officer did,he was walking away from the police line with hands in his pockets,should shove the copper over repeatedly untill he dies

 

[scorza]

Like I said when all this first happened; I looked at the video and I didn't see a policeman committing manslaughter - I saw a tragic incident. The case probably should never have been brought to trial imo, it had all the hallmarks of using the PC as a scapegoat for another botched police operation. When are the commanders whose tactics meant Mr Tomlinson was unable to get home on that fateful day. They are the real villains of this piece.

Although it does sound like this PC was something of a rotten apple, I prefer that the criminal justice system judge people on evidence and not reputation.

 

[Johno please?]

I wouldn't have fell over from that push



The push came way after the baton strike but you make it sound like they both happened at the same time.
Anyway, it's very sad and a man lost his life but a jury saw it exactly as I did.

Thats the thing, most people wouldn't die as a result of what happened to him, so im not really sure why some people on here are so upset.

Deary me. They are riot police, trying to control a riot zone, screaming at someone to move.

If you just stand there like an idiot, you're going to get pushed. He was extremely foolish.

Exactly, what do people expect

 

[Em3bbs]

yeah if you went out and pushed someone and hit them with a baton and then they died, you would so go down for manslaughter, but cos this POS is a copper he gets off easy, justice again proves its jobs for the boys

So the jury was made up of other police officers then?

 

[Em3bbs]

There are deaths in police custody on average every 5.5 days. Slaughter is a subjective term, but I'm willing to use it here.

Then you're not really doing your argument any justice, because quite frankly you come across a bit silly using that term.

 

[Marky]

musnt feed the troll

Just because he disagrees with you doesn't make him a troll :/

 

[KNiVES]

Then you're not really doing your argument any justice, because quite frankly you come across a bit silly using that term.

Ok, you're arguing with my usage of the word slaughter while completely missing the point anyway. We're talking about the police being involved in the deaths of literally fourteen hundred plus people and all you care about is a word. It's kinda annoying actually.

I'll just say the police tickled them to death instead.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

musnt feed the troll

CLASSIC

there all bad eggs arn't they???

yeah im serious,who likes the police anyway?cant stand them

 

[estebanrey]

Deary me. They are riot police

Correct, but last time I checked one man doesn't constitute a riot, especially one man strolling along with his hands in his pockets.

He wasn't even part of the protest FFS, he was just trying to get home.

, trying to control a riot zone, screaming at someone to move.

It wasn't a "riot zone" it was a protest march. And whilst there's no sound on the video I posted it's quite clear from looking at the officers there was no screaming at Tomlinson.

If you just stand there like an idiot, you're going to get pushed. He was extremely foolish.

But he wasn't just standing there, he was strolling along trying to find a way home.

I'm still waiting for you to answer why the other 5 or 6 officers with Harwood don't seem as bothered with Tomlinson's presence and don't move towards him.

Furthermore by striking him and shoving him to the floor, Harwood only made a human obstruction thus impeding the rest of his team's path (thus defeating the object of what you're claiming they were trying to do). If the object was to get him out of the way surely the better thing to do would be to grab him and pull over the other way out of their path.

The guy's a pussy, he had loads of of back up and still felt the need to pull out his baton and whack the poor bloke. Tough guy he is.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

He wasn't even part of the protest FFS, he was just trying to get home.

And how did the Riot Police who were controlling a riot know this exactly?

 

[estebanrey]

And how did the Riot Police who were controlling a riot know this exactly?

Well I'd suggest the fact he wasn't holding a placard with "Tories Out" on, had his hands in his pockets and had told various Police officers before that incident he was just trying to get home would at least show he was far from a violent protester about to throw a petrol bomb through a shop window.

It's hilarious, during the riots last year the police stood by and did nothing and people say they did the right thing and yet in this case they acted against an innocent man and they still did the right thing.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Well I'd suggest the fact he wasn't holding a placard with "Tories Out" on, had his hands in his pockets and had told various Police officers before that incident he was just trying to get home would at least show he was far from a violent protester about to throw a petrol bomb through a shop window.

And if you really think hard about what you're saying you really expect the Police to believe him?
I've been in a similar situation myself and trying to explain that I was nothing to do with rival football supporters so can I come through?
What do you think the Police said?

It's hilarious, during the riots last year the police stood by and did nothing and people say they did the right thing and yet in this case they acted against an innocent man and they still did the right thing.

Yes it was hilarious and it was because of the Tomlinson case they didn't dare do anything.
They were all standing there pooing themselves if they made a move.

 

[estebanrey]

And if you really think hard about what you're saying you really expect the Police to believe him?
I've been in a similar situation myself and trying to explain that I was nothing to do with rival football supporters so can I come through?
What do you think the Police said?

Whether they thought he was a protester or not is irrelevant anyway, unless you think the police have the right to just go around whacking protesters with batons regardless of whether they are causing a threat or not (which he clearly wasn't).

Yes it was hilarious and it was because of the Tomlinson case they didn't dare do anything.
They were all standing there pooing themselves if they made a move.

Just another reason as to why Harwood should feel ashamed then.