Free School due to open in September 2012 ‘teaches creation as a scientific theory’

OhEsEcks said:
Elaborate.
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He's referring to the concept of evolution as God's mechanism for enacting change on species in a creationist sense.

Shock as school children are taught a wider spectrum of opinion than previously. The fact is that kids shouldn't suffer from being taught intelligent design as a concept - most of the science that they're taught at that age is a lie, too (before tie the universe was all scrunched up in a single point and then exploded and time began, the atom is a tiny little bundle of protons and neutrons with electrons whizzing around in regular orbits, animals change over time and the ones that aren't very good die out so the stronger ones survive). Kids need to be told lies to gradually prepare them for whatever passes as the truth when they're ready for it, so what's so tragic about giving them a wider pool of knowledge to filter through for their own beliefs?

The only thing I object to in this notion is the implication that evolution will be taught poorly and with heavy focus on its perceived shortcomings (mostly by people who don't understand that the shortcomings they're describing don't really exist [contrary to the beliefs of idiots, half an eye is actually incredibly useful compared to no light-sensing organs at all]) and creationism will be taught as an equally valid theory in the scientific sense with its serious flaws glossed over (i.e. total lack of scientific evidence).
 
spudbynight said:
Well done - you just made my ignore list. You are a hate filled bigot.
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Well done, you've once again demonstrated that when the questioning gets tough when a religious thread comes up and you are incapable of answering any of the questions put to you, you fob people off, resort to dogma and/or personally insult those who bandy the questions about. Last but not least, you do the good Christian thing of sticking your fingers in your ears and proclaiming "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU".
 
[FnG]magnolia;22398175 said:
I believe he just called you a ****.
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Are you claiming he said that, or are you saying that under the guise of claiming he said it, so you don't end up getting suspended? It's hard to tell across the internet.
 
spudbynight said:
They don't conflict.
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The Bible story that God made man and the evolutionary explanation that humans evolved from a common ancestor do conflict, that is self evident.

What some Christians, who accept evolution, believe is that God basically kicked off abiogenisis and pushed along evolution ultimately culminating in the existence of humans.

But you can't believe God magicked humans in existence and accept that humans evolved from less complex lifeforms at the same time.
 
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Deadbeat said:
He's referring to the concept of evolution as God's mechanism for enacting change on species in a creationist sense.

Shock as school children are taught a wider spectrum of opinion than previously. The fact is that kids shouldn't suffer from being taught intelligent design as a concept - most of the science that they're taught at that age is a lie, too (before tie the universe was all scrunched up in a single point and then exploded and time began, the atom is a tiny little bundle of protons and neutrons with electrons whizzing around in regular orbits, animals change over time and the ones that aren't very good die out so the stronger ones survive). Kids need to be told lies to gradually prepare them for whatever passes as the truth when they're ready for it, so what's so tragic about giving them a wider pool of knowledge to filter through for their own beliefs?

The only thing I object to in this notion is the implication that evolution will be taught poorly and with heavy focus on its perceived shortcomings (mostly by people who don't understand that the shortcomings they're describing don't really exist [contrary to the beliefs of idiots, half an eye is actually incredibly useful compared to no light-sensing organs at all]) and creationism will be taught as an equally valid theory in the scientific sense with its serious flaws glossed over (i.e. total lack of scientific evidence).
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Yes intelligent design should be taught at schools, but not in Science class. Intelligent Design is not Science and no matter how sciencey it is made to sound it doesn't follow the Scientific Method. At best it is Psuedo Science and should be taught in RE.

Intelligent Design is not an alternative theory to evolution. Its like saying that 'the earth is flat' is an alternative to a spherical earth and should be taught in science class
 
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Abraxaz1 said:
People are free to believe what ever they want. the fact that the evolution is just a theory not scientific fact leads it into multiple levels of interpretation.
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mavity is 'just' a theory too, I challenge you to interpret it differently.

RomanNose said:
It will be taught in RE lessons most likely.
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It should be taught about though, not as fact.

estebanrey said:
The Bible story that God made man and the evolutionary explanation that humans evolved from a common ancestor do conflict, that is self evident.

What some Christians, who accept evolution, believe is that God basically kicked off abiogenisis and pushed along evolution ultimately culminating in the existence of humans.

But you can't believe God magic'd humans in existence and accept that humans evolved from less complex lifeforms at the same time.
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I think the belief is that 'God' guided evolution as the method of our creation. Of course that's not what the bible says, nor is it what the religion is based on.

However, when faced with such overwhelming evidence from the opposing side (evolution) most people would change their story so as not to conflict with it.
 
spudbynight said:
The question was whether a belief that God created the Universe conflicts with the theory of evolution.
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There's no debate. What we know is that we are evolved. Evolution is real, whether you like it or not.

You're rather vague when it comes to creationism. Which god are you talking about?

Prove to me the existence of this god. If you can't, then I shall repeat; there is no debate.

Sure, consider it, think about it, talk about it with other theists, but until you can prove that there is a god, and you can test for that fact, which I assure you, is an impossibility at this point, then there's no reason we should be teaching this nonsense to children (as fact, or even possible).

It is straight-up child abuse. School should be a place of factual learning and reasoning, not superstition and brainwashing.
 
Intelligent Design should NOT be taught in school, it has been debunked many times and it's creators (excuse the pun) have been proven to be charlatans and liars in a court of law (Kitzmiller v. Dover).

ID is creationism dressed up as science, and the last thing we should be doing is confusing our children.

Teach it in history or philosophy classes if you want (as creationism not ID), but not in any science class.

I hate when when supporters of creationism try to pretend as if their theory is as valid as evolution, like the two are just two equally valid opinions, they're not. Evolution is backed up with tons of evidence, far more than most people actually realise (when people say stuff like "it's just a theory" it's probably the only time I do a face palm in real life). For a start if evolution wasn't true a lot of medicines wouldn't work.

Evolution is testable, repeatable and is a proven theory.
 
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Religious school in wanting to teach its religion shock! :eek:

It's a religious school teaching its beliefs in assemblies which isn't exactly new. The confusing thing is why faith schools are allowed in the first place? :confused: It's just the state paying a load of religious people to brainwash kids. All schools should be 100% secular so that kids can grow up with an open mind about all faiths and faith positions.
 
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