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The Running Man said:
Omg fergie making no sense shocker. Carrick isn't a great player he's good but not great. To think he has something extra to give to bridge that gap to city in midfield is confusing to say the least.

Fergie says you don't need tacklers but isn't that what fletcher is about so...
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Only confusing if your blinkered on your opinion of Utd, the team and the Tactics. People really need to loose the idea that a defensive midfielder are some kind of hard man enforcer in the Roy Keane role.

Look at some of the best players in the last ten years or so like Claude Makalele, Xavi Alonso etc. None you would call hard men or hard tacklers, but they could read the game well and cover the spaces.

United's failings in central midfield are down to a lack of options and a player to compliment him. The days of the box to box 'complete' midfielder are long gone bar one maybe two exceptions. I guess you wouldn't get that from Championship Manager or Fifa 12 though.

For all the Carrick haters out there, of course there are better players. What's your choice though. Completely rip up the midfield and hope they gel into a unit so we can mount a title challenge. It's simply not going to happen
 
See we still only signed Borini, thought we would have had another deal done by now since BR said 2 possible signings done end of last week I think it was :/ hope Allen rumours are true and that for once we keep aquaman
 
Loki...there is nothing to rip up and start again. There is no gel-d unit or partnership already. We basically play anyone there who is fit as exemplified by playing any one of giggs, jones, Rafael, cleverly, anderson, fletcher, park the list goes on.

For all carricks non tackling ability the other thing to talk about is his lack of contribution above actually turning up and putting the shirt on. I know he doesn't have an attacking role but for me he is culpabale for many many mistakes that have cost us games or nearly cost us games but extremely seldom helps us win.

In my mind i see carrick stumbling over to allow chelsea to walk in and score (European cup final). Or being out jumped by olic in the bayern game we drew but lost the tie. Or when etoo just runs past him. he plays gets his 6/10 rating every week and is happy to Do that without ever offering much more than that.

Truth be told when scholes came back last season he made carrick look like a player who was not fit to carry scholes water let alone tie his boots. How/why we can suddenly rely upon him to reclaim the league after years of average displays is pretty bewildering to me.
 
Tom84 said:
Yes I did read what part you responded to, you took offence for some crazy reason to Fergie saying you bought players between 25-27 who were experienced I fail to see how that's a negative? It's what every club would like to be in a position to do, sign the best players at their peak. You're also absolutely right if we had the funds City have (and probably a different manager) the likes of Welbeck would just get shafted out of the door like City did with Sturridge.

Like I said your throwing a hissy fit for basically no sane reason, Fergie's mind games win again ;)
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I took offence because he is wrong about the points I outlined. I never said if was a negative for us to sign players who are 25-27 because there's advantages to that but we barely ever do that as I proved.

Sturridge didn't get shafted, he wouldn't accept a new contract because Chelsea offered to pay him more.

I am not throwing a hissy fit I am pointing out where he is wrong and backed that up.
Fergies mind games are finished as proven last season with Mancini. ;)
 
i think singing young players is a good thing by ferguson, was it not for the fact he will have retired before he see's any true results from them.
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
I took offence because he is wrong about the points I outlined. I never said if was a negative for us to sign players who are 25-27 because there's advantages to that but we barely ever do that as I proved.
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I think your problem is you're taking Fergie comments far too literally bar the age gap line Fergie's right you dont sign players in their teens with the intention to play them in your first team, you might argue that but I think in 2/3 years time you'll see you're wrong and that the likes of this Biton kid you're talking about wont of seen the light of day in the first team.

There was absolutely nothing to take offence by from Fergie's comments, it seems though unless someone's saying City are the best thing in the world you throw a paddy :confused: Very odd.

cm1179 said:
i think singing young players is a good thing by ferguson, was it not for the fact he will have retired before he see's any true results from them.
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It's an admirable philosophy but the times of getting a Ronaldo for £13m look to be long gone, you only need to look at the figures being banded about for this Lucas kid. Personally I think upwards of £30m is far too much for an unproven 19 year old, a lot of pressure before he's even kicked a ball in the PL which is why I cant help but feel the money would be best served being spent on players a lot more 'proven'
 
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Tom84 said:
I think your problem is you're taking Fergie comments far too literally bar the age gap line Fergie's right you dont sign players in their teens with the intention to play them in your first team, you might argue that but I think in 2/3 years time you'll see you're wrong and that the likes of this Biton kid you're talking about wont of seen the light of day in the first team.

There was absolutely nothing to take offence by from Fergie's comments, it seems though unless someone's saying City are the best thing in the world you throw a paddy :confused: Very odd.
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To get to where we are today we couldn't afford to buy teenagers and play them. Now however we can do as we have a great young but experienced squad. This year you will see players like Suarez, Rekik and Razak get more opportunities.

I think you will see your wrong :)

Nothing to take offence from? He is blatantly making things up so that's ok?
 
cm1179 said:
i think singing young players is a good thing by ferguson, was it not for the fact he will have retired before he see's any true results from them.
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I don't. This sort of thing has been tried before on Soccer Aid and singers don't usually make good footballers. Perhaps the X Factor would be more suited to them?
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
To get to where we are today we couldn't afford to buy teenagers and play them. Now however we can do as we have a great young but experienced squad. This year you will see players like Suarez, Rekik and Razak get more opportunities.
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I totally agree with the bolded part, when you have the money it obviously doesn't make sense to go for a slow build up not when you can by proven ability but that's not a negative. I do disagree that bar maybe the odd Carling Cup tie those players you list wont be in the first team because the chances of them being better than who are in the starting XI is just not likely.

As for the other part Fergie didn't make anything up, he said you buy proven players which is true, even going back to your initial arguments bar Hart (who wasn't even a Hughes signing) Kompany, Lescott, Clichy, Kolorov, Zabaleta, Toure, Milner, Barry, Silva, Nasri, Balotelli, Aguero, Dzeko, Tevez etc etc etc were all proven first team players before they even signed for City.

I'm getting bored going over this with you now though, if you want to take offence by what Fergie said by all means do so, I find it hilarious you do though :o
 
I agree with fergie, look at all the young players that have come through the 'system' and been class since that first famous batch....

Oh wait..

So many great forwards have come through the system, so great he had to go get Rooney, Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Ole and on and on.

So many great midfielders and as a goal keeping academy they must be second only to cambridge united.

Senile old hypocrite.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I agree with fergie, look at all the young players that have come through the 'system' and been class since that first famous batch....

Oh wait..

So many great forwards have come through the system, so great he had to go get Rooney, Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Ole and on and on.

So many great midfielders and as a goal keeping academy they must be second only to cambridge united.

Senile old hypocrite.
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O'Shea?
Fletcher?
Welbeck?
Cleverley?

There are just 4 I can think off that have come through and been succesful first team players since the 'Golden Generation'

EDIT: not that Fergies quotes have anything to do with what you're moaning about.
 
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i don't think we'll ever see fletcher play a pl game for united again. must be awful for the bloke. i read that ferguson says even if fletcher retires from the game, he will still have a position at united, behind the scenes.
 
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