Paying tradesmen cash in hand morally wrong - minister

bitslice said:
Stop obsessing on the role, god it is like having bhavv back, it's been blissful without him and you want to fill his shoes?
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It's not the role, it's the amount they earn. Anyone who earns under £8500 (soon to be £9500) pays no tax be they a cleaner, plumber or banker.

Few low paid part time jobs will clear that so you simply can't make an emotional rant about low paid part timers being able to evade tax morally as they have no tax to evade.

Why not admit you screwed up and move on instead on trying to save face and claim you still have a point.
 
I will pay people however I choose, I am not responsible for another's Tax arrangements or their compliance with them, either legally or morally.
 
What a joke. Taxation is clearly more immoral than paying someone cash in hand. How they can even resort to trying to steal more money from honest individuals making voluntary exchanges is disgusting. They should be ashamed of their greedy selves.

I can just see the greedy evil tax stealing officials with dollar signs in their eyes looking for ways to steal more money.
 
mrbell1984 said:
So it's Morally right to pay tax all the time. The minster needs a slap.
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Everyone is up in arms when rich folk avoid tax - rightfully so. Why is it any different for anyone else?

Rather hypocritical to say one type of avoidance is fine to do because it's an Average Joe, and the other isn't because it's a fat cat/ celebrity.
 
groen said:
What a joke. Taxation is clearly more immoral than paying someone cash in hand. How they can even resort to trying to steal more money from honest individuals making voluntary exchanges is disgusting. They should be ashamed of their greedy selves.
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How do you suggest we run the country then without taxation? Just let the old, sick and disabled die? And who needs schools eh?
 
groen said:
What a joke. Taxation is clearly more immoral than paying someone cash in hand. How they can even resort to trying to steal more money from honest individuals making voluntary exchanges is disgusting. They should be ashamed of their greedy selves.

I can just see the greedy evil tax stealing officials with dollar signs in their eyes looking for ways to steal more money.
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So,

If person A earns £50,000 PA 100% cash in hand, pays no tax - then takes advantage of the healthcare system, the education system for his children & the infrastructure that's fine?.

:rolleyes:
 
This isn't a policy announcement by the government, it's a response to a question the guy was asked. He gave the right answer, but don't expect some sort of massive campaign by the 'Evil Torys' against the 'hard working families'. When the business pockets the cash this is tax evasion and is illegal, unlike the avoidance that is being brought up in this thread.
 
oh lol they already take (steal) £800 billion a year i am sure that is more than enough for the disabled kids. What an appeal to emotion fallacy. Oh you are against paying tax therefore you want disabled kids to die....

If you can avoid paying tax well done, let me know how you do it. Any way i can contribute less to this baphomet called the state i am pleased to hear it.
 
estebanrey said:
Few low paid part time jobs will clear that so you simply can't make an emotional rant about low paid part timers being able to evade tax morally as they have no tax to evade.

Why not admit you screwed up and move on instead on trying to save face and claim you still have a point.
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Stop talking like bhavv, you are scaring me :(

My point was never about whether cleaners pay massive amounts of tax or not, but let's assume one of them does, name89 suggested that we chase this person to pay tax owed as a moral duty (paraphrasing)
I disagreed.

then you jump in and start talking about how no cleaner pays tax like this was somehow relevant? Yes it is partly true, have an Internet cookie, it's just not what I was talking about and it makes no difference to my point - chasing low paid workers is not some kind of moral crusade, it is the opposite when you have flagrant evasion by that same ministers friends.
 
groen said:
oh lol they already take (steal) £800 billion a year i am sure that is more than enough for the disabled kids. What an appeal to emotion fallacy. Oh you are against paying tax therefore you want disabled kids to die....
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You said (or implied at least) the principle of paying any tax is immoral.

So in your world the government wouldn't have any money at all. Maybe you should go back and re-word your previous post if that's not what you meant.

P.S. There's no such thing as an appeal to emotion fallacy.
 
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The onus is on the tradesman to pay his tax. I should be able to pay him any way i please, if he then doesnt pay tax he, is in the wrong - not me.
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That's what i thought, then i read THIS

It seems to imply that the customer needs to be sure that the quote includes taxes, or proof that no collusion with the tradesman to avoid tax has taken place.

I'm in this dilemma right now concerning a very good friend building us a conservatory. He offered to do it for cash and without going through the books.
Sadly my mrs works for the inland revenue and it scared pooless of recriminations.
 
Banzai_Joe said:
That's what i thought, then i read THIS

It seems to imply that the customer needs to be sure that the quote includes taxes, or proof that no collusion with the tradesman to avoid tax has taken place.

I'm in this dilemma right now concerning a very good friend building us a conservatory. He offered to do it for cash and without going through the books.
Sadly my mrs works for the inland revenue and it scared pooless of recriminations.
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Just go Banzai!!!
 
estebanrey said:
It depends how you look at it, the building of a mosque (or any other religious building) may be able to claim tax exemption status as a 'charity' so while they aren't receiving tax payers money, they are getting to keep money that otherwise they would have had to hand over if it were any other type of building.
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The building of and the upkeep of buildings including Churches and other places of Worship are still subject to the relevant taxes...namely VAT. Grade 1 listed building used to have an exception to VAT for alterations and repairs, but that is to be removed also in October iirc. Some places of Worship can apply for a grant that is equal to the costs of VAT on reconstructive building work, But I doubt that many mosques, if any, would qualify for those grants unless there is a specific argument for retaining Heritage in the site....(it mainly helps historical Churches and notably the Great Cathedrals)

As a charity, any place of Worship which draws funding greater than £5000 has certain exceptions to taxes, in the case of their buildings, a reduction in or exemption of Council Tax..... but that is the same for any charity, spiritual or temporal.

In the UK almost all Mosques are privately funded and built.
 
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RDM said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
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Fair enough, I'm aware of the 'Appeal to Emotion' thing but I don't agree with the Wiki article that it is a fallacy, a fallacy is an untruth.

Regardless my original point wasn't an appeal to emotion anyway, it was simply a fact of life. Either we have some system of taxation to collect money to pay for things like schools, pensions and hospitals or we go without them.
 
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