New found respect for truckers

Well I wouldn't say no to £35k per year.
As I said i appreciate you do a lot of hours, but its not like its 70 hours hard graft is it ?
its 50 hours behind a steering wheel every week. (I know it's not the same as driving a car) but it's still not taxing your body like say a stud welder or a steel decker is it ?

Not hard graft? Hmm, that's debateable!

I'd like to see you do this job, discovering how long the hours can be, how delightful it is to spend the night in layby's, how impossible it is to plan your out of work life when your start time varies and you rarely know your finish time in advance, all for £35k ish per annum.
Don't forget though to earn such an annual wage, you'll be doing your maximum hours day in, day out.

As I said previously, if I got such a wage for a nice 40 hr week, it would be great!

If I averaged 40hrs per week, I'd be earning roughly £17.5k p/a which I think is pretty **** for a supposedly skilled profession.

As I say, give it a try and then tell me if it's hard or not.

Posted from a layby on the A43 having being told this morning that I would be home tonight...... Ho hum!
 
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Not hard graft? Hmm, that's debateable!

I'd like to see you do this job, discovering how long the hours can be, how delightful it is to spend the night in layby's, how impossible it is to plan your out of work life when your start time varies and you rarely know your finish time in advance, all for £35k ish per annum.
Don't forget though to earn such an annual wage, you'll be doing your maximum hours day in, day out.

As I said previously, if I got such a wage for a nice 40 hr week, it would be great!

If I averaged 40hrs per week, I'd be earning roughly £17.5k p/a which I think is pretty **** for a supposedly skilled profession.

As I say, give it a try and then tell me if it's hard or not.

Posted from a layby on the A43 having being told this morning that I would be home tonight...... Ho hum!


I have always held up my hans and said it is flat out a job i NEVER want to do.
I hate being away from home, I hate doing long hours.
Not all driving jobs are as **** as that but most of the ones I have worked alongside often required drivers to night out on short notice and I have always sympathised with this.
That said I stand by my statement, long hours yes, hard graft no (or not in a lot of cases anyway)

I spoke to a driver a while back who seemed a little too smart to be driving a truck and when i got chatting to him I found out why.
He used to be a manager with all the pressure etc that came with a 35k per year job and had enough, so worked out what he could do to earn the same money with no stress and turned to driving a HGV.
His thoughts were that it wasn't hard work, but he didn't like the nights out and long hours but obviously he preferred that to the stress of a £35k a year managerial type role.


The grass is always greener ;)
 
He used to be a manager with all the pressure etc that came with a 35k per year job and had enough, so worked out what he could do to earn the same money with no stress and turned to driving a HGV.

The grass is always greener ;)

Thats my problem, im on about 17.5k, (36.5hr weeks) roughly the same as R420 if he didnt do mega hours... I HATE my job with absolute passion. The stress, the constant staff cuts, idiotic managers/customers and all the other rubbish I have to deal with... The only thing that makes me happy is home time, payday, and the fact i have a full time job. Full time jobs are so hard to come by around here, most of my staff only get 8-18hours a week!

Ive debated about being a truckie myself, because i *LOVE* driving. The only issue is, if im driving all day id probably HATE driving.
 
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I'm moving on from my current HGV job but this job averaged 55-60 hours per 5 day week, and £9 an hour before tax for a night shift. factor in a 40 mile round trip to work it's quite a long week. Still more pay than a junior vet though....

EDIT: Is it easy? Yes, until something happens, I had a front passenger side tyre blow out the other week, scary stuff when fully laden.
 
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I always wanted to be a truckie. My dad used to do a lot of continental work, so I used to go with him in the summer holidays off school! Always loved it. The hours trawling up and down the motorway were long, the living arrangements were cramped, but there was always some downtime at the weekends, sometimes, there would be a few other drivers to socialise with too.

If we were parked up near a town, or somewhere interesting, we could go for a wonder off. I went to a lot of places that normally, I would never of got the chance of going too. Hungary was probably the most eye opening for me at that age, going through border control and seeing guards with real guns :D awesome.

My best mate from school passed his class one about 12 months ago, and now spends all week tramping, so I never see much of him anymore, because I do shift work, which includes weekends, so your social life does suffer.

And lets not even get started on idiotic car drivers who have absolutely no clue what its like to drive an HGV. You really cant believe some of the stunts some car drivers pull when they are infront of a truck, it really does have to be seen to be believed!
 
I have always held up my hans and said it is flat out a job i NEVER want to do.
I hate being away from home, I hate doing long hours.
Not all driving jobs are as **** as that but most of the ones I have worked alongside often required drivers to night out on short notice and I have always sympathised with this.
That said I stand by my statement, long hours yes, hard graft no (or not in a lot of cases anyway)

I spoke to a driver a while back who seemed a little too smart to be driving a truck and when i got chatting to him I found out why.
He used to be a manager with all the pressure etc that came with a 35k per year job and had enough, so worked out what he could do to earn the same money with no stress and turned to driving a HGV.
His thoughts were that it wasn't hard work, but he didn't like the nights out and long hours but obviously he preferred that to the stress of a £35k a year managerial type role.


The grass is always greener ;)

The grass is always greener, or it seems that way at least...
I've done the management thing and I could not wait to pack it in and go back on the road! For me, it was not the stress more the expected unpaid overtime, I figured at least I get paid for the hours I do in the truck.
Whilst Stobart's work is not hard graft generally, it certainly has its moments, the job itself can be very hard graft - chip liner work is one exception, it's dirty and very hard graft, trust me on that one!


R420LA6X2/4MNA, didn't you get offered quite a prestigious job driving for the F1 teams?

Yes, I turned it down a while ago, for a couple of reasons.
Firstly, the time spent away on the F1 contract is extreme, a mate of mine is on it currently, he's away for upto 15weeks at a time! - I'm not fond of being away all week as it is currently and that length of time did and still does not appeal no matter how prestigious the job seems. Incidentally, the F1 lads are on pretty much the same rate of pay but have the advantage of hotel accommodation and free food & drink, they effectively earn more as they spend far less whilst away.
The clincher for me was had I joined the F1 team, I'd have seen less of my daughter than I used to (which was just at weekends) now, I'm in a relationship, living with my gf and after 13years of access to her at weekends only (her mum & I are divorced) my daughter now lives with us, something that would not have happened we're I doing the F1 thing.

For this reason, I'm intending to stop tramping soon, there's more to life than living in a tin can 4-5 nights per week!

I do enjoy driving, and an artic is far more of a challenge to drive than any car IMO, and far more rewarding from a drivers point of view, cars feel like rocket powered roller skates after a day in a 44tonner, and it's noticeable how that vast vast majority of cars feel like they are made from Cardboard compared to the feel of say a Scania!
If you enjoy driving, I'd recommend the job! That said, it's surprising the number of truckers I know who hate driving and the job in equal measure...


I do have Internet though, yes, it's not so bad after all.... ;)
 
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I always wanted to be a truckie. My dad used to do a lot of continental work, so I used to go with him in the summer holidays off school! Always loved it. The hours trawling up and down the motorway were long, the living arrangements were cramped, but there was always some downtime at the weekends, sometimes, there would be a few other drivers to socialise with too.

If we were parked up near a town, or somewhere interesting, we could go for a wonder off. I went to a lot of places that normally, I would never of got the chance of going too. Hungary was probably the most eye opening for me at that age, going through border control and seeing guards with real guns :D awesome.

My best mate from school passed his class one about 12 months ago, and now spends all week tramping, so I never see much of him anymore, because I do shift work, which includes weekends, so your social life does suffer.

And lets not even get started on idiotic car drivers who have absolutely no clue what its like to drive an HGV. You really cant believe some of the stunts some car drivers pull when they are infront of a truck, it really does have to be seen to be believed!


Very true. In my mid 30s I decided I wanted a career change and went for my HGV, some of the mates I had were on decent wages and I loved driving so thought why not. WRONG biggest mistake of my career ever, I had to do the usual agency work as catch 22 no experience no job, no job, no experience. I worked for quite a few companies, but the long hours (which I didnt really mind) jumped up store managers or delivery guys, expecting you to almost wipe their a**e for them and the constant calls from the Depot as to where are you, can you. and then as you say the absoloute t**ts that are on the road has to be seen to belived.

On a side note as for pay I know I could get a job in massive local distribution depot Class 2 paying basic of 30K and with extra payments take you up to the £35 range Class 1 even more, but It is just not worth it in my opinion, I had and still have the utmost respect for present. For the majority of them its all about chasing the clock and with most large companies the tracker as well as the tacho is not your best friend.
 
That said, it's surprising the number of truckers I know who hate driving and the job in equal measure...

You go through stages.

At the beginning it's all new and exciting.. Then you realise management are taking advantage of your n00bness and giving you work the "creamboys" refuse to do.

Then it dawns on you the CreamBoys wont be leaving the company anytime soon and you are now stuck in a rut.

Which leads to depression/anger

So you find a job elsewhere and it dawns on you that you just restarted the pecking order and this job aint no better ... Just slightly different work !!

But... There's bills to be paid so money must be earned. You knuckle down and get on with it

After a while you "learn" a few little bonuses.. Like getting left with a few empty pallets to flog etc.

And Kronos keeps on marching on.......

I love my job now, especially as I'm not trying to do 24 hours work in 10.

There's so much more to life than just chasing money. Always working bank holidays and pedal to the metal. Sod that.

*I missed an entire decade because of that philosophy (The 90's. I missed all my daughters early years)

I now get there when I get there.

Life is all about the journey... Not the destination !!




* I used to be the day driver (starting at 03:00 every morning) to deliver empty plastic ketchup bottles into Heinz @ Park Royal. TWO trips every day from Corby and then the night driver would do the same. The lorry never got cold. I was soooo zombified when I got home I would fall asleep as soon as the 6'oclock news started.
 
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Thought I'd add my two cents here. I'm one of the UK's youngest lorry drivers having just turned 19, I passed shortly after my 18th.I drive Class 1 CE (artics) While I might be seen as new to the industry by some, I was under no illusion how hard it would be for me to get a job.

My Father and Uncle are lorry drivers and have run their own lorries, so again I knew what I was getting into and I knew what the industry was like.

I've been quite fortunate, my first job was £9.00ph and my second £10 and that's over an 11 hour day, it works out about £550 pw and more if I do tramping which as mentioned here is sleeping in the lorry over night.

The general public have no clue what so ever about how much room or space you need to maneuver, even for the one's who have some clue there's always double that who don't know that you have a different speed limit on roads from cars.


40 on a Single Carriageway, 50 on a dual and 60 LIMIT on a motorway, most lorries are limited electronically to about 56, although the odd one that will do 58 isn't too rare. Unrestricted we would beat the chavs car off the line at the bottom of the street and would be good for about 90mph.


As I said from my hours, 12 hours is a normal day and the max could be up to 15 hours per day, not one will bat an eyelid that you've worked for so long. It isn't a heroic undertaking.

I had to laugh at a comment or two on here saying that it isn't hard graft, but it's very hard for you to judge when you don't know about the job.

Those back doors on the trailer? They are very heavy! Winding the trailer legs up and down if you need to drop or pick up a trailer? Very stiff! That curtain on the side on the trailer? Also very heavy and if the wind catches it it will send you flying.

Also, sitting on your arse for 12 hours per day steering something sounds very easy but if you do your job the way it should be done and concentrate properly, it becomes VERY mentally tiring and exhausting and until you've experienced that you won't know that it's like.

You need to think for everyone else, something as simple as entering a roundabout, you need to make sure no one has come up your inside because they are about to be possibly crushed to death by your trailer or your cab if you miss them. Believe it or not on the average shift this happens about 7 or 8 times per day. Something else other's don't realise is just how limited your view is down the side of the lorry, for all that there's 6 mirrors on your wagon because of the height and width you have massive blindspots, the mirrors themself cause blindspots because they're so big. When your reversing you have what you call a blindside because of the way the trailer curves.

All in all it can be a very stressful job if you let it get to you but I'm proud I got through my tests at such a young age and can represent the Haulage Industry and hopefully be an inspiration to younger drivers and show that (okay not all) but some young guys my age are actually very sensible and capable of driving such long and heavy vehicles.

PS, not sure if this is allowed but feel free to remove it, although you can see a small insight to what I do and a great perspective headcam at www.youtube.com/user/TruckingDiaries
 
Winding the trailer legs up and down if you need to drop or pick up a trailer?

Over the course of my career I've discovered why those landing legs are hard to wind up/down.

You see... Knackered landing legs in days of yore were a rarity and I'll enlighten you as to why....

Thing the first... If you DID knacker the landing legs they were going to stay that way for aeons as the company refused to pay to fix a driver initiated issue. (you did it...you suffer !!)

Thing the second... It's since air suspension was rolled out across every wagon that the majority of these issues are now created.

You see what happens is.... Instead of pumping up the suspension just an inch (if at all) "brain deads" pump them up to max and then drop the trailer. What happens then is that the next vehicle that picks up that trailer has different tyre wear or generally runs a bit lower.... So... Although the vehicle does couple up it isn't lifting the pressure off the legs.

In fact it actually does the exact opposite. It pulls the trailer downwards putting stress on the pin as it's not designed for that ...AND it bends the worm gear in the landing legs. Couple that to the fact that they rammed the unit under and the trailer inevitably rocks, adding to the stresses the worm gear is under.

BEFORE air suspension was utilised the correct coupling procedure IS

If empty.. Wind the legs down so that they are about One inch from touching the ground and DROP the trailer. (That's why it's called DROPPING a trailer ie: NOT just a figure of speech).

If loaded then wind the legs down until they touch the floor and uncouple. The weight of the trailer will have compressed the tyres which will make the unit spring upwards as uncoupling takes place, this feels the same as Dropping a trailer.

That's what the skids are for on the back of the unit. (Yes I'm aware some units don't have skids anymore)

Some units really spring up when uncoupling these days. This can be reduced by only pumping up (air suspension) ONE inch before uncoupling and then as you drive off press the lower button on the suspension.

Apologies if you all knew this already but it really is a pet peeve of mine. I've caught various drivers (who weren't actually n00bs) doing this to brand new trailers of ours and I've "enlightened" them to their "brain deadiness".
 
Over the course of my career I've discovered why those landing legs are hard to wind up/down.

You see... Knackered landing legs in days of yore were a rarity and I'll enlighten you as to why....

Thing the first... If you DID knacker the landing legs they were going to stay that way for aeons as the company refused to pay to fix a driver initiated issue. (you did it...you suffer !!)

Thing the second... It's since air suspension was rolled out across every wagon that the majority of these issues are now created.

You see what happens is.... Instead of pumping up the suspension just an inch (if at all) "brain deads" pump them up to max and then drop the trailer. What happens then is that the next vehicle that picks up that trailer has different tyre wear or generally runs a bit lower.... So... Although the vehicle does couple up it isn't lifting the pressure off the legs.

In fact it actually does the exact opposite. It pulls the trailer downwards putting stress on the pin as it's not designed for that ...AND it bends the worm gear in the landing legs. Couple that to the fact that they rammed the unit under and the trailer inevitably rocks, adding to the stresses the worm gear is under.

BEFORE air suspension was utilised the correct coupling procedure IS

If empty.. Wind the legs down so that they are about One inch from touching the ground and DROP the trailer. (That's why it's called DROPPING a trailer ie: NOT just a figure of speech).

If loaded then wind the legs down until they touch the floor and uncouple. The weight of the trailer will have compressed the tyres which will make the unit spring upwards as uncoupling takes place, this feels the same as Dropping a trailer.

That's what the skids are for on the back of the unit. (Yes I'm aware some units don't have skids anymore)

Some units really spring up when uncoupling these days. This can be reduced by only pumping up (air suspension) ONE inch before uncoupling and then as you drive off press the lower button on the suspension.

Apologies if you all knew this already but it really is a pet peeve of mine. I've caught various drivers (who weren't actually n00bs) doing this to brand new trailers of ours and I've "enlightened" them to their "brain deadiness".

Yeah I fully understand what you mean and can sympathize with you because it bugs my **** too lol!

Scania 4x2 are bad for it as they lift stupidly high after dropping the trailer.
 
I'll always use my air suspension to lift a trailer I'm coupling up to, I would not lift my suspension to drop one.....


If my trailer is loaded, I wind the legs down fully, and then give it a further 10 - 15 turns in low ratio, I then will (once disconnected air lines, applied trailer brake etc) pull clear of the "pin", lower the suspension fully, so the legs have the full weight of the trailer and then pull out from under the trailer.

You then re-set the ride height & off you go...

Not sure if that males me a "Brain dead" in your eyes or not! :o ;) :D
 
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