oven rings

Cosimo · 27 Jul 2012 at 07:57

LOAM said:
Mmmmm onion rings

Don't start me off as I've just had breakfast.

godinman · 27 Jul 2012 at 08:01

[FnG]magnolia;22432847 said:
It was a light-hearted observation, nothing more.

BRO FIVE!

e : we're only bro-fiving after you wash your damn hands.

It's too late, I'm.....finished.

spoffle · 27 Jul 2012 at 08:48

kwerk said:
I wouldn't know, I think cooking is pouring hot water in to a pot noodle.

Fixed.

LOAM · 27 Jul 2012 at 09:03

simulatorman said:
Don't start me off as I've just had breakfast.

Still a bit peckish there ?

SexyGreyFox · 27 Jul 2012 at 10:10

Because you are touching an element which is covering the electrical bits and I've touched a few million in my lifetime.
At the end of the element are two tabs with the wires on so if you touch them you will get electrocuted and I have done several times and been thrown across a test crib.
People think you can get electrocuted if you poke a knife in a toaster but once again you've got to touch the part where the wires connect and that is inside.

More:
My Father In Law invented the electrical elements that work in an instant like gas does.
So basically you turn your stat up and it goes up and you turn your stat down and it goes down.
Not as quick as gas but enough to control.

pitchfork · 27 Jul 2012 at 10:18

I don't know but those things are the bane of my life. Every time I come back from uni and cook for my family I bring 2 portable propane camping stoves, for the life of me I cannot cook on an electric hob, it's either hot as hell or cold as ice, or when you want to turn it down it takes 5 minutes to do that and knackers up your dish.
And thats if it ever heats up, had a pan on the hob full whack here before, 10 minutes later it wasn't anywhere near hot enough to cook a steak.

Rant over

spoffle · 27 Jul 2012 at 10:26

pitchfork said:
I don't know but those things are the bane of my life. Every time I come back from uni and cook for my family I bring 2 portable propane camping stoves, for the life of me I cannot cook on an electric hob, it's either hot as hell or cold as ice, or when you want to turn it down it takes 5 minutes to do that and knackers up your dish.
And thats if it ever heats up, had a pan on the hob full whack here before, 10 minutes later it wasn't anywhere near hot enough to cook a steak.

Rant over

Gas 4 lyf yo.

phil675 · 27 Jul 2012 at 10:29

pitchfork said:
I don't know but those things are the bane of my life. Every time I come back from uni and cook for my family I bring 2 portable propane camping stoves, for the life of me I cannot cook on an electric hob, it's either hot as hell or cold as ice, or when you want to turn it down it takes 5 minutes to do that and knackers up your dish.
And thats if it ever heats up, had a pan on the hob full whack here before, 10 minutes later it wasn't anywhere near hot enough to cook a steak.

Rant over

It's the other way around for me, gas goodness at home and electric rubbish at uni. I've lost a few pans due to burnt on food.

SexyGreyFox · 27 Jul 2012 at 10:30

pitchfork said:
I don't know but those things are the bane of my life. Every time I come back from uni and cook for my family I bring 2 portable propane camping stoves, for the life of me I cannot cook on an electric hob, it's either hot as hell or cold as ice, or when you want to turn it down it takes 5 minutes to do that and knackers up your dish.
And thats if it ever heats up, had a pan on the hob full whack here before, 10 minutes later it wasn't anywhere near hot enough to cook a steak.

Rant over

Obviously something wrong with it.
We'd have 32 cookers on test in a lab (16 gas, 16 electric) and you would have to get to the electric hobs faster so the water didn't boil over.
Electric is way quicker and this was in 100% of cases over 27 years I was doing it.
The only time it wasn't faster is if the element was buggered.

alexthecheese · 27 Jul 2012 at 10:32

I remember when my parents first got a cooker with halogen hobs. That was the future. It was so bright! MEIN EYES!

Cuchulain · 27 Jul 2012 at 10:33

Dimple said:
Obviously something wrong with it.
We'd have 32 cookers on test in a lab (16 gas, 16 electric) and you would have to get to the electric hobs faster so the water didn't boil over.
Electric is way quicker and this was in 100% of cases over 27 years I was doing it.
The only time it wasn't faster is if the element was buggered.

When you say "we" do you mean you and Jimmy Hendrix?

ChrisJSY · 27 Jul 2012 at 10:55

Dimple said:
....I've touched a few million in my lifetime...
At the end of the element are two tabs with the wires on so if you touch them you will get electrocuted and I have done several times and been thrown across a test crib.

Suddenly everything makes sense.
I jest :cool:

estebanrey · 27 Jul 2012 at 11:46

Dimple said:
Obviously something wrong with it.
We'd have 32 cookers on test in a lab (16 gas, 16 electric) and you would have to get to the electric hobs faster so the water didn't boil over.
Electric is way quicker and this was in 100% of cases over 27 years I was doing it.
The only time it wasn't faster is if the element was buggered.

How does that work? Serious question.

Gas is instant heat, there is no 'heating up' delay like you get with electric. Is it because the hobs can ultimately reach a higher temperature when they do finally get there?

I used to have electric hobs at home, but now have gas and in my experience the gas is quicker.

GSXRMovistar · 27 Jul 2012 at 11:53

estebanrey said:
How does that work? Serious question.

Gas is instant heat, there is no 'heating up' delay like you get with electric. Is it because the hobs can ultimately reach a higher temperature when they do finally get there?

I used to have electric hobs at home, but now have gas and in my experience the gas is quicker.

I'm guessing because the electric heating element it larger covering more surface area of a pan than say the flame from a gas ring. Whilst the flame burns hotter/quicker the electric ring is putting out more heat in total.

estebanrey · 27 Jul 2012 at 12:04

GSXRMovistar said:
I'm guessing because the electric heating element it larger covering more surface area of a pan than say the flame from a gas ring. Whilst the flame burns hotter/quicker the electric ring is putting out more heat in total.

Ahhh that makes sense. Suppose it depends on how good your gas cooker is though and the size/number of gas outlets on any given hob.

It's strange though because I've worked in a lot of kitchens (my sister was a chef and moved around a lot and I'd often help out for a bit of extra cash) and every single one used gas. You'd think given how important time is in that industry they'd use electricity if it was faster.

Hxc · 27 Jul 2012 at 12:08

I much much prefer cooking on gas too.

bitslice · 27 Jul 2012 at 13:50

stuman said:
path of least resistance is the way that electricity flows.

Umm, no.
Just thought I'd point that out

Maybe you are thinking of lightning, different principle at work, current goes through a plasma but if you stick your finger in it it will go through you as well, even if you happen to be holding a 10Mohm resistor

SexyGreyFox · 27 Jul 2012 at 18:16

Cuchulain said:
When you say "we" do you mean you and Jimmy Hendrix?

Dick.

'We' are the Quality Audit Technicians for Hotpoint/Creda (or were).
I did it for near on 27 years so do have a little bit of experience so it would be nice to have a little bit of respect since it is the only thing I actually know anything about.

Here's part of the test lab with both gas & electric hobs ready to go and I would bet my entire musical instrument collection that the electric hobs will boil the water in the pans quicker than the gas do (and by minutes not seconds).

estebanrey said:
Gas is instant heat, there is no 'heating up' delay like you get with electric. Is it because the hobs can ultimately reach a higher temperature when they do finally get there?

Delay of a couple of seconds.
We used to play games to see how long you could leave your hand on an electric hob to see how manly we were.
Using temperature readers the electric would reach higher temps.
All those cookers are linked to a program called Picolog which would measure temperatures depending where we put the sensors.

estebanrey · 27 Jul 2012 at 18:40

Dimple said:
Delay of a couple of seconds.
We used to play games to see how long you could leave your hand on an electric hob to see how manly we were.
Using temperature readers the electric would reach higher temps.
All those cookers are linked to a program called Picolog which would measure temperatures depending where we put the sensors.

Why do nearly all professional kitchens use gas then? Is it cheaper?

SexyGreyFox · 27 Jul 2012 at 18:54

estebanrey said:
Why do nearly all professional kitchens use gas then? Is it cheaper?

If we go back to the mid 80s and beyond there was no substitute for the kitchen with both pro's and normal users.
It was my Father In Law who was set a task in the 80s to invent an element that could could compete with gas so that you could control the temperature.
Before his invention the only way to stop an electric pan from simmering over would be to remove the pan.
The test you see above is the 'Simmer Test' where the pans are heated to boiling and the Auditors have to turn the switch down so that it doesn't simmer over and on both electric & gas it will control the temp immediately.
Over the years we had every famous cook/chef in our department testing electric hobs and it's just a case of knowing that things are quicker with electric and you have to make adjustments accordingly and let's be honest, if you're used to gas then you're not going to alter.
Most of our complaints years ago was from irate customers who expected food to cook in X amount of time but when they came back it was cooked to a crisp.

(I'd also like to add a waver at this point that I can't vouch for no-name products doing the above)