no gtx 660 till august?

Rimsy · 29 Jul 2012 at 17:44

I'm in the market for a replacement for my 280GTX and have kind of been waiting to see what the 660 is going to be like but if its over £200 then no thanks... theres barely enough PC games worth playing these days to warrant £200 as it is so they can shove their potential £300 mid range pricing where the sun don't shine.

FoxEye · 29 Jul 2012 at 19:25

MID-RANGE cards should have a price ceiling of £150. (In my world).

Would price like this:

HTPC up to £40
LOW-END up to £90
MID-RANGE up to £150 (£200 max at launch)
PERFORMANCE up to £250
ENTHUSIAST up to £400
LOLWUT, nVidia? up to £1000.

A mid-range card that's considerably higher than £200 at launch is no use to me.

Perhaps we have lots of high earners on this forum but mid-range should reflect a card that is affordable to MOST GAMERS.

And LOW-END should be affordable to most 16-year-old gamer's PARENTS. Now I know some parents are buying their kids £300 iPhones these days, but I've been led to believe this is the exception not the rule...!

P.S. I LOVE CAPS TODAY.

Marine-RX179 · 29 Jul 2012 at 21:35

Lokken86 said:
No need for an attitude. But yes. Yes they are.

Nothing personal, but AMD had it planned out. AMD changed the naming approach and 6950 and 6970 were replacement the the 5850 and 5870 at similar price point and the 68xx cards became sub £150 entry level gaming everybody knows that...and it is just one gen later guess what? They pushed the 78xx range cards to £180+ and £260+. So comparing to 5000 series, AMD want mid-range card money for entry level gaming cards...new gen cards at same price point but slower than previous gene is a complete joke.

psychodil · 29 Jul 2012 at 22:00

You are forgetting that the 585)/5870 cards were a balls up by AMD. Not the card, but the pricing. They were rediculously cheap (in the scheme of things). They were selling faster than they could make them. You can't really compare prices generation to generation, for example a mars bar cost a lot more now than it did 5 years ago

Marine-RX179 · 29 Jul 2012 at 23:13

psychodil said:
You are forgetting that the 585)/5870 cards were a balls up by AMD. Not the card, but the pricing. They were rediculously cheap (in the scheme of things). They were selling faster than they could make them. You can't really compare prices generation to generation, for example a mars bar cost a lot more now than it did 5 years ago

Accept it doesn't work like simple inflation. Performance increase with moving gen is going down, yet prices are going up. This gen card is overpriced for what they are, and there's no going around it.

Gregster · 29 Jul 2012 at 23:18

I remember paying £230 for my Gigabyte 560TI at launch, so IMO this is a fair price if it is £250. (maybe £20 less would be fairer but new tech and faster tech warrants £20)

MADMAN · 29 Jul 2012 at 23:34

250 still not bad

psychodil · 29 Jul 2012 at 23:45

These cards aren't meant to compete with previous generation, they are supposed to compete with their rival brand against cards in the same price/performance bracket. Previous generations have no bearing on that.

If the 660 offers good performance for its money compared to its competition it will sell well.

gurusan · 30 Jul 2012 at 02:49

Marine-RX179 said:
Accept it doesn't work like simple inflation. Performance increase with moving gen is going down, yet prices are going up. This gen card is overpriced for what they are, and there's no going around it.

I paid 250 USD for my 7850, I don't think it is overpriced for what it is.

nocturnal1974 · 30 Jul 2012 at 02:58

Its been 15 months since I've had a graphics card (6850 malfunctioned) and I just use my Intel i3 530 GPU to play old games.

I was going to get a 7850 or a 660. My PSU only has 1 PCI-E lead and I'm not upgrading it.

I only miss playing Flight Simulator X and couldn't care less about games like BF3.

I imagine the 660 will be better for FSX?

Marine-RX179 · 30 Jul 2012 at 06:24

psychodil said:
These cards aren't meant to compete with previous generation, they are supposed to compete with their rival brand against cards in the same price/performance bracket. Previous generations have no bearing on that.

If the 660 offers good performance for its money compared to its competition it will sell well.

Except at launch AMD stacked their 7950 and 7970 price right ON TOP of last gen's GTX580, which itself was already an overpriced premium :confused:

Which resulted in overpriced new gen Nvidia cards as well due tho them pricing accordingly to what AMD already have on what pricing on the market?

Marine-RX179 · 30 Jul 2012 at 06:28

gurusan said:
I paid 250 USD for my 7850, I don't think it is overpriced for what it is.

$250...that's less than £160? Except 7850 in UK in general are priced at well above £180 or even £200+, when 7870 and 7950 shoould had been at £200 and £240 range and they got priced as £270 and £330-£350, and 7970 was at £450-£480. Both card were well over £100 the price of the last gen card they are supposed to replace.

ince · 30 Jul 2012 at 08:09

Hope not too long now

MADMAN · 30 Jul 2012 at 10:36

were always gonna pay more tax and get ripped off, guess we gotta wait a good month or 2 before prices drop a bit and we get a better deal.

Early adopters will always get it 1st at a price

Marine-RX179 · 30 Jul 2012 at 11:18

MADMAN said:
were always gonna pay more tax and get ripped off, guess we gotta wait a good month or 2 before prices drop a bit and we get a better deal.

Early adopters will always get it 1st at a price

The price drop on the HD 7000 series card is too late imo. If these prices were at launch, then it would had been attactive...but unfortunately the price drop only happen after it passed half the shelf-life, and people would probably think they would be better off waiting for next gen cards that should come in probably less than half a year.

greenpanda · 30 Jul 2012 at 20:56

Supply and demand: If there wasn't so many uninformed buyers who just get conned by the higher number naming convention, then market forces will force AMD to offer us better value...

gurusan · 31 Jul 2012 at 04:37

Marine-RX179 said:
$250...that's less than £160? Except 7850 in UK in general are priced at well above £180 or even £200+, when 7870 and 7950 shoould had been at £200 and £240 range and they got priced as £270 and £330-£350, and 7970 was at £450-£480. Both card were well over £100 the price of the last gen card they are supposed to replace.

Well I live in Oregon which has no sales tax. Also the 6850 and 6870 weren't that great in comparison to their previous gen. Even the 6870 was slower in most games clock for clock than a 5850 where the 7 series is a significant step forward even at the same clocks.

Marine-RX179 · 31 Jul 2012 at 10:23

gurusan said:
Well I live in Oregon which has no sales tax. Also the 6850 and 6870 weren't that great in comparison to their previous gen. Even the 6870 was slower in most games clock for clock than a 5850 where the 7 series is a significant step forward even at the same clocks.

I think you missed my point. I was referring to Lokken86's post of saying 7770 is replacement for 6770, when it is much more expensive than the 6770 was, and performance wise is SLOWER than the 6850 which is the price point that it replaces. All I was saying people shouldn't just blindly accept what they are fed...they need to look at the reality of the pricing. By his logic if model number is what what new gen card replaces the old, then I suppose the 7870 is replacement for the 6870 then, despite one cost under £150 (even at launch, it was only at little bit over £200 max), and the other cost over £270 at the time.

easyrider · 31 Jul 2012 at 16:29

http://www.techpowerup.com/169557/GeForce-GTX-660-Ti-Specifications-and-Launch-Date-Released.html

Gibbo · 31 Jul 2012 at 16:45

NVIDIA's memory controller allows 192-Bit interface on both 2GB and 3GB configurations.