94% of Greenland has melted

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The Greenland ice sheet on July 8, left, and four days later on the right. In the image, the areas classified as 'probable melt' (light pink) correspond to those sites where at least one satellite detected surface melting. The areas classified as 'melt' (dark pink) correspond to sites where two or three satellites detected surface melting. Photograph: Nasa



The Greenland ice sheet melted at a faster rate this month than at any other time in recorded history, with virtually the entire ice sheet showing signs of thaw.


The rapid melting over just four days was captured by three satellites. It has stunned and alarmed scientists, and deepened fears about the pace and future consequences of climate change.


In a statement posted on Nasa's website on Tuesday, scientists admitted the satellite data was so striking they thought at first there had to be a mistake.


"This was so extraordinary that at first I questioned the result: was this real or was it due to a data error?" Son Nghiem of Nasa's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena said in the release.


He consulted with several colleagues, who confirmed his findings. Dorothy Hall, who studies the surface temperature of Greenland at Nasa's space flight centre in Greenbelt, Maryland, confirmed that the area experienced unusually high temperatures in mid-July, and that there was widespread melting over the surface of the ice sheet.

I know some people here don't even believe in global warming but isn't this slightly worrying for the seventh summer in a row?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/24/greenland-ice-sheet-thaw-nasa
 
It's called summer. There was a heatwave which causes extra melt, tempratures returned to normal not long after this and I believe the ice area started expanding again already.
 
It's called summer. There was a heatwave which causes extra melt, tempratures returned to normal not long after this and I believe the ice area started expanding again already.

It's funny how people don't read the articles and miss out on important details such as this
The Greenland ice sheet melted at a faster rate this month than at any other time in recorded history, with virtually the entire ice sheet showing signs of thaw.
 
The only place that is doomed is Norwich, and quite frankly it's because we are not going to save it... (apart from that cracking owl sanctuary)
 
'94% of greenland has melted'

No, no and no. It has begun melting, it hasn't melted, there is a big difference. The picture the guardian (and the bbc) have used is very misleading. The colours in the picture tie up to the rate of surface melt, which is useless without a key.
 
I know some people here don't even believe in global warming but isn't this slightly worrying for the seventh summer in a row?

Not really. What caused to last proper Ice Age to disperse? Mammouths driving around in V12 Corvettes? Penguins taking too many 747s to go on foreign holidays?

I think it's more absurd to assume the Earth's climate should remain exactly the same all over the globe forever than it is to deny AGW.
 
It's funny how people don't read the articles and miss out on important details such as this

The key bit of that sentence you quoted is "in recorded history". It hasn't melted faster than any time during the past, just faster than we've ever seen and written it down before and given records only start a hundred or so years ago it's not really that amazing.
 
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The key bit of that sentence you quoted is "in recorded history". It hasn't melted faster than any time during the past, just faster than we've ever seen and written it down before and given records only start a hundred or so years ago it's not really that amazing.

The only source ive found shows that records of melt only started in 1978.
 
Not really. What caused to last proper Ice Age to disperse? Mammouths driving around in V12 Corvettes? Penguins taking too many 747s to go on foreign holidays?

I think it's more absurd to assume the Earth's climate should remain exactly the same all over the globe forever than it is to deny AGW.

Any one particular climate regime is in a delicate equilibrium. Plenty of natural events can cause it to change, this is not disputed. The argument is that humans are having a significant effect over the natural cycles. The fact that dinosaurs didn't drive suvs is mindless drivel.

Having a degree in physics I like doing simple 'back of the envelope' calculations to see if what people are saying appears to be in the right ball park. Consider this:

atmosphere mass = 5x10^18kg = 5000 trillion tonnes

by mass CO2 is 0.04% (pre industrial ~ 0.025%)

Therefore mass of CO2 currently in the atmosphere = 2x10^15kg = 2 trillion tonnes

human emissions due to oil only ~ 30 billion tonnes/year = 3 trillion tonnes/century

The oil only emissions are an under estimate as I am assuming the emissions have the same weight as the oil, when in actual fact they are greater as hydrogen atoms are replaced with heavier oxygen atoms when oil is burned.

If an under estimate of emissions from oil alone can more than double the amount of CO2 in a century (a tiny amount of time geologically) then it would be naive and dangerous to assume that nothing will change.
 
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