That is true. But it depends on what Intel feel like... you know what they are like as much as I do. They might find it more productive to skip IB-E and go straight to Haswell and Haswel-E instead. Eliminating the need of IB-E (which ends a socket anyway such does IB did for 1155 but for anyone pre SB IB was worth the upgrade) I don't think the X79 platform would benefit greatly from IB-E though. Why would anyone want to risk possible dodgy TIM with more cores etc the heat would be horrible!
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That is true. But it depends on what Intel feel like... you know what they are like as much as I do. They might find it more productive to skip IB-E and go straight to Haswell and Haswel-E instead. Eliminating the need of IB-E (which ends a socket anyway such does IB did for 1155 but for anyone pre SB IB was worth the upgrade) I don't think the X79 platform would benefit greatly from IB-E though. Why would anyone want to risk possible dodgy TIM with more cores etc the heat would be horrible!
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These days Intel sockets are EOL on release for mid-range overclockers (£150+ cpus). The socket will never see a worthy cpu upgrade.
There is speculation that Haswell-E will need a new socket too.
There is speculation that Haswell-E will need a new socket too.
still too many sockets!!! thats intel marketing greed,amd keep the same socket
if the op is desperate for a new pc you might aswell go z77 and 3570/3770k cpu,atleast youll have native sata3
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Ain't that the truth!
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No
1155 is, 2011 is not.
Correct info before posting as google has the answers
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Oh dear.
The AMD socket ignorance too.
Not sure how it's marketing greed (1 for your mainstream, one for your enthusiasts), AMD have two sockets on the go too (FM1 due to be replaced with FM2 and AM3+ which will probably be replaced after Piledriver)
I'm sure Bulldozer was touted AM3, works on AM3 but only a handful of boards ever got updated to Bulldozer (3 as far as I'm aware), instead you're forced to buy AM3+.
There's other instances as well, but AMD certainly don't keep the same socket always, least when Intel do it you get quite a performance boost
AM2+ to AM3, both took the same CPU's (Phenom II/Athlon II & Minus the 3 on Bulldozer. That's a socket & RAM change without any actual improvement except in memory performance and the native sata.
Obviously, the fact Phenom II worked on AM2+ is good (And a handful of AM2 boards), but AM3 didn't officially get a new CPU, yet it was a new socket.
PD launching on AM3+ is another good but, but Intel have already launched 2 CPU series (SB & IB on 1155)
But if you look at the figures, AM2+ to AM3+ (3 sockets in total) what performance increase has their been from what the lowest socket can take (Thubans)? Not much, IPC has gone down, only thing that's higher is multitasking but that takes an FX8 and isn't a consistent performer.
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Not 2011 yet.
Ivybridge-E is still scheduled for LGA2011 Q3 2013 for Performance/Enthusiast users.
Haswell is scheduled for supposedly for LGA1150 Q1-Q2 2013 for Mainstream/Performance users.
Here's some news:
http://tech2.in.com/news/cpus/intel-to-launch-ivy-bridgee-in-q3-2013/348492
http://www.techpowerup.com/169804/Intel-Ivy-Bridge-E-Slated-for-Q3-2013.html
You can't compare Ivybridge to Ivybridge-E just like you can't really compare Sandybridge to Sandybridge-E. Different layout, IMC, amounts of cache, amount of cores and also the lack of IGP etc. They're made differently and they perform differently.
Ivybridge-E will give the ability of the full 8 cores and a much better IMC. All of which would be lovely.
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Oh dear.
The AMD socket ignorance too.
Not sure how it's marketing greed (1 for your mainstream, one for your enthusiasts), AMD have two sockets on the go too (FM1 due to be replaced with FM2 and AM3+ which will probably be replaced after Piledriver)
I'm sure Bulldozer was touted AM3, works on AM3 but only a handful of boards ever got updated to Bulldozer (3 as far as I'm aware), instead you're forced to buy AM3+.
There's other instances as well, but AMD certainly don't keep the same socket always, least when Intel do it you get quite a performance boost
AM2+ to AM3, both took the same CPU's (Phenom II/Athlon II & Minus the 3 on Bulldozer. That's a socket & RAM change without any actual improvement except in memory performance and the native sata.
Obviously, the fact Phenom II worked on AM2+ is good (And a handful of AM2 boards), but AM3 didn't officially get a new CPU, yet it was a new socket.
PD launching on AM3+ is another good but, but Intel have already launched 2 CPU series (SB & IB on 1155)
But if you look at the figures, AM2+ to AM3+ (3 sockets in total) what performance increase has their been from what the lowest socket can take (Thubans)? Not much, IPC has gone down, only thing that's higher is multitasking but that takes an FX8 and isn't a consistent performer.
honestly i dont care about all the fine details,im just saying they change the sockets far too much purely for greed,end of the matter far as im concerned
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So you mean, you really have no basis for your opinion, so you're ignorant.
You'll call Intel greedy, then when a questionable AMD change is present, you'll ignore it.
Nice one.
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What's that for?
You've said you don't care for the details, yet you'll gladly bash Intel.
That just makes you a fool.
How can your opinion hold weight if its born from not caring about the details?
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I hope you're not older than me.
IIRC in the time frame that intel had Socket 478 and then Socket 775 AMD went through Socket A, Socket 754, Socket 939 and Socket AM2
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Most of the early 775 boards are not compatible with Core 2 processors. In fact not all Conroe/kentfield boards are compatible with Wolfdale/yorkfield processors.
Intel may have stayed with one socket but compatibility was broken throughout its lifetime.
Thats not to say that AMD is better. Upgradeability in the PC world is a false illusion IMO.
Martini: 1366 may have lasted 3 years but it only ever got two processors, bloomfield and westmere based hex cores which were never really attractive due to the pricing schemes adopted by intel for them. So for most people it was considered a "dead" socket.
Still got a Q6600...won't buy another until Haswell probably. Do you think it's better to wait till Haswell or get 3570k and motherboard for £320~? I only like buying the best price performance hardware. Had a [email protected] before my Q6600, cost me £20 to upgrade between them.
Its worth getting the 3570K, it destroys an overclocked Q6600 even at its stock clock. Haswell is still a while away and is supposed to bring big improvements in onboard GPU, power consumption, etc. As Intel have not said anything about expected big performance gains its a pretty safe bet the IB-Haswell jump will be the same as SB-IB was, i.e nothing to shout about.