No it isn't.
You have to remember that the Bulldozer Engineering Samples were actually much worse than the final iteration.
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No it isn't.
You have to remember that the Bulldozer Engineering Samples were actually much worse than the final iteration.
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No they weren't, they were exactly the same.
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Just like Bulldozer turned out to be.
Well currently, anyone suggesting people buy an AMD chip would - in the majority of cases - be giving bad advice.
Whether you consider him to be trolling or not, he really isn't telling lies. AMD's pure CPU (not APU) products are pretty hopeless right now if you're a typical home user (especially if you're a gamer).
And I have been a die-hard AMD (only) user for the last 15 odd years. Now using Intel again because they are the best choice currently.
Whether you consider him to be trolling or not, he really isn't telling lies. AMD's pure CPU (not APU) products are pretty hopeless right now if you're a typical home user (especially if you're a gamer).
And I have been a die-hard AMD (only) user for the last 15 odd years. Now using Intel again because they are the best choice currently.
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I have a feeling this thread is gonna end up in the same way as bulldozer thread 
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In those tests I don't see that.
The cinebench I'd assume the results are mixed up, but in all the others, what you're saying is wrong.
We also don't really know anything about PD as two tests are not conclusive proof of a definitive number, although I wouldn't be surprised to see a 10% IPC improvement at the least.
Also, a bad PD ES after we've seen a preview of trinity which use the same cores? You'd have trouble selling that one (Not saying it's not the case however)
EDIT : That's a perfectly unbiased post by me, flame me and I'll just report you, as you don't seem to understand being balanced.
Can't wait for trinity, I like the APU chips
I likewise can't wait for trinity, should allow me to make some decent rigs, however AMD overpriced llano at launch (And to an extent is still pretty overpriced, you can get a sandy pentium and better GPU with board for around the same money as an A8 and board) I hope they have an aggressive pricing structure, or I'll simply resort to G530's (Or Ivy equivalent) and dedicated GPU's for rigs.
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They would have been better off just skipping Piledriver and trying to bring forward their next generation CPU as much as they can, all of the time and effort they're spending on Piledriver and it's probably not going to be that much more popular than Bulldozer.
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like a few others here i am more excited about the trinity apu , i will use one of those for my kiddys computer almost certain just depends on how long we have to wait for release , as a AMD fanboi i really would like the piledriver FX do well but i carnt see it tbh but thats just imho
IMO the A6 3670k chips are priced right (in certain places on the internet
) Very cheap I hope they make the trinity boards cheap and ITX
Then they release the 7670 and it is more powerful than the 5770/6770 Then It will be the best value combo 
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7670 won't be more powerful than a 5770/6770.
7770 isn't a massive amount better.
Though have to give you credit on the A6, not a bad price at all.
7770 isn't a massive amount better.
Though have to give you credit on the A6, not a bad price at all.
Your trying to establish this as what Piledriver is and dismiss other test which contradicts this test (from China
)Two different IPC tests confirming the same result of +15% IPC means +15% IPC, you can test the IPC a hundred different ways and you get the same result. IPC is IPC it is what it is it does not change no matter how much you try and spIntel your way around it, you people are so transparent in that.
CineBench R11.5 is not the wrong way round, on an FX-8150 it scores over 6 points, not 5.7, over 6.
As for the rest of the tests, all of it is Memory based performance, not FP and Integer, but Memory, they have little to do with CPU performance and you can change those numbers in any of a number of different ways, tighten up the timings, boost the CPU-NB <- as an Intel fan you would not know what that is, Or just use diffrent RAM....
This is not even a test of the CPU other than CineBench R11.5, which is out of whack.
And last, it has Zamezi in CPU-Z and its running at 3.1Ghz, Its an FX-8120!
You NEED a dedicated GPU with ANY Intel because there IGPU's are absolute junk! and your trying to argue your getting better bang for £ by spending much more on an Intel and a Descrete GPU than an APU with a DX11 class IGPU thats good enougth to play BF3?
A locked Dual Core Celeron? are you crazy? Mate try and record East Enders for the wife and RallyCross for yourself while the kids are playing Dirt 3 on it, you havent got a hope in Hell's chance. it wouldn't even di Dirt 3 on its own.
More spIntailing....
No one listen to this guy, you will end up regreting it.
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Humbug, get off it man, you haven't got a clue as I proved throughout this thread on multiple occasions, the PCI-E 3.0 and AMD to bring up one example.
If you care to read, I'd already noted the Zambezi in the CPUZ.
I was simply saying you're wrong about what the figures showed, which well? You were, bar the Cinebench result, it was better elsewhere.
Not sure why you're bringing Intels IGP into this, my post had nothing to do with it, while you then went off on a tangent.
You're just a rampant logical thought hater.
If you care to read, I'd already noted the Zambezi in the CPUZ.
I was simply saying you're wrong about what the figures showed, which well? You were, bar the Cinebench result, it was better elsewhere.
Not sure why you're bringing Intels IGP into this, my post had nothing to do with it, while you then went off on a tangent.
You're just a rampant logical thought hater.
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PCIe 2 vs PCIe 3 = no performance increase and wont for a long while yet, there is no need for it yet.
About Trinity IPC on Toms Hardware? your making a statment of fact there, now you need to prove it.
IGPU, its in response to your Trinity comment.