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What graphics card next?

i only upgraded cpu a awhile ago and OCed it.. full it was ample enough.

I always though my gfx cards even in crossfire heled me back...... Was looking for something that boosts my GPUs
 
his CPU is fine for anything up to and including a 7850

sure, dig out a 5 year old single threaded game and show that it's bottlenecked at low resolution because it gets 120FPS instead of 200FPS, but in modern games at normal resolutions it will be fine with a 7850
Clearly you don't play much online games, Starcraft II or Total War series etc. It's nothing to do with 5 years old games, but more about game developers still write their damn games or lazy port to use less than 4 cores even when we are in 2012 already.

One core out of four not being used is already enough to make the Phenom II bottleneck even 6850 ish level card when playing anything remotely CPU dependent. And that not even say even with all four cores are used for games and it is still not keeping up with the high-end cards.
 
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I would much rather turn down settings in one game that I hardly play than buy a whole new system to play loads of games I do play where it would make about 10% difference

it does depend what games the OP plays - if he plays SCII heavily then fine don't advise a good graphics card in his system, but if he plays a mix of games then a 7850 will be a good general use card with not much benefit from a full system upgrade

if someone came on saying "I want to play all games at maximum settings" then fine recommend a full rebuild, but that isn't what the OP asked and hasn't said that he plays CPU limited games

4890's are the weakest link in his system currently and he will get a benefit from a 7850 and overclocking it
 
Cool, thanks for your replies. So 1x of the 7850 will show improvement over my 2x ati 4890's?

Thanks for advice!!!!

I'm not being funny but a 4890 on it's own is still a cable card, it's roughly the equivalent of a Radeon 5850 DX11 card so the fact you have two of them in crossfire means you shouldn't have any troubles running most games.

If your happy with the crossfire drivers and both cards are working then I would say stick with what you have, the only upgrade path for you would be to spend the thick end of £400 and get two 7850's in Crossfire or a single 7970. The only option would be a side grade, 6970/7850 which would give you a quieter system, no crossfire, worries, less risk of a VRAM bottleneck and DX11.

Sensible side of me says stick with you have have but the fun says replace.
 
I did a quick check and found a 4890 was less than or about half a stock clocked 7850 - so an overclocked 7850 should blow it out of the park

a 4890 is about 75-80% of a 5850, not equal to, plus the 1GB of VRAM will be causing issues in some titles
 
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4890's are the weakest link in his system currently and he will get a benefit from a 7850 and overclocking it
Not really, his CPU is his weakest link. My old Q6600 overclocked to 3.6GHz isn't much slower than the Phenom II X4 at 3.7GHz, and it bottenecked the hell out of my SINGLE 5850 in lots of games.

CF4890 is no slow poke...it is fast enough to make the overclocked Phenom II X4 to not able to keep up with or scaling with in lots of games. I don't know if you are speaking your points from experience, or just out of what you THINK.
 
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xfire 4890's are a tad quicker than a NVgtx480 or certainly in that ballpark anyway so that makes them comparable with a 570 so looking at this it means the 7850 isn't much of an upgrade at all.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/ 480 vs 570


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/ 570 vs 7850

(yes I know its an old chart but it does show the 4890's beating a gtx480)
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics-charts-high-quality/compare,2486.html?prod%5B4594%5D=on&prod%5B4504%5D=on
 
xfire 4890's are a tad quicker than a NVgtx480 or certainly in that ballpark anyway so that makes them comparable with a 570 so looking at this it means the 7850 isn't much of an upgrade at all.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/ 480 vs 570


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/ 570 vs 7850

(yes I know its an old chart but it does show the 4890's beating a gtx480)
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics-charts-high-quality/compare,2486.html?prod%5B4594%5D=on&prod%5B4504%5D=on

I think all the people talking about a 7850 are advocating heavily overclocking it - your results don't show any OC built in - plus don't take in to account the extra 1GB of VRAM which will unleash a certain amount of extra performance in some games at higher settings (e.g. allow him to run the game instead of a slide show)


Not really, his CPU is his weakest link. My old Q6600 overclocked to 3.6GHz isn't much slower than the Phenom II X4 at 3.7GHz, and it bottenecked the hell out of my SINGLE 5850 in lots of games.

CF4890 is no slow poke...it is fast enough to make the overclocked Phenom II X4 to not able to keep up with or scaling with in lots of games. I don't know if you are speaking your points from experience, or just out of what you THINK.

I had a Q6600 at 3.6ghz too, plenty of benches I can find on the phenom place it as quite a bit ahead of a Q even clock for clock in games

my Q at 3.6 didn't bottleneck a GTX580 unless it was heavily OC'd

I also have a friend with a phenomII X4 at 3.2ghz with an unlocked 6950 and he sees no bottlenecking, so I'm extrapolating that at 3.7 it should be fine to run a 7850

this is what I think based on my experience :D

you don't have a phenomII or a 7850 so you can't say anything based on direct experience either so you are only saying what you think based on almost completely unrelated other parts... it's ok to have an opinion without having a pop at other peoples
 
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I had a Q6600 at 3.6ghz too, plenty of benches I can find on the phenom place it as quite a bit ahead of a Q even clock for clock in games

my Q at 3.6 didn't bottleneck a GTX580 unless it was heavily OC'd

I also have a friend with a phenomII X4 at 3.2ghz with an unlocked 6950 and he sees no bottlenecking, so I'm extrapolating that at 3.7 it should be fine to run a 7850

this is what I think based on my experience :D

you don't have a phenomII or a 7850 so you can't say anything based on direct experience either so you are only saying what you think based on almost completely unrelated other parts... it's ok to have an opinion without having a pop at other peoples
Did you actually looked at the GPU usage? Or were all the games you play were some FPS single player campaigns etc? Also, you might want to have a look at this:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20873/2
 
Did you actually looked at the GPU usage? Or were all the games you play were some FPS single player campaigns etc? Also, you might want to have a look at this:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20873/2

yes I did look at my GPU and CPU usage when I had a Q and 580 - it was 99% constant and my results were exactly what they should be when compared to 580 benches online to within 5fps at the same resolution and settings - when the GTX 580 was overclocked it sometimes dropped from 99 to 95% hence my comment that it just started to bottleneck when OC'd

yes, this is what you usually do when talking about CPU bottlenecking - chuck up a load of low res / low detail benchmarks and call that a result, but see above - to show CPU bottle necking you should do it with a high spec GPU and at resolutions that people actually play at - I don't play BFBC2 at 1280x800 on a GTX460 so how does that help? I'd be willing to bet that on all those CPU's the GPU was not running at 99% because they've deliberately used settings that would be CPU bottlenecked - and I don't know what they've done to CIV5 to make it show up as only 44FPS on a 2500k because I've never seen FPS below about 100FPS even if I turn off cores and de-clock my current CPU

the OP doesn't have £500+ to spend on a whole new system and GPU, but will he see an improvement from a £180 GPU on his current system? I think yes based on my experience and showing me GTX460 @ 1280x800 / low settings isn't going to change my mind on that

it's up to the OP what he thinks on the subject
 
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Basically as the opening poster asked what graphics card would he need to step up to to get a noticeable improvement?
To be honest with your comment that you cant afford £200, personally i would say that your not going to get a noticeable improvement for £200. to make sure you get a decent step up you will need to spend a bit more and go for the 7950/70 or a 660/70.

As for the whole CPU bottleneck issue I suggest lowering the clock on you CPU and seeing what difference it makes to see if you are actually bottle necking the GPU's or not.
 
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yes, this is what you usually do when talking about CPU bottlenecking - chuck up a load of low res / low detail benchmarks and call that a result, but see above - to show CPU bottle necking you should do it with a high spec GPU and at resolutions that people actually play at - I don't play BFBC2 at 1280x800 on a GTX460 so how does that help? I'd be willing to bet that on all those CPU's the GPU was not running at 99% because they've deliberately used settings that would be CPU bottlenecked - and I don't know what they've done to CIV5 to make it show up as only 44FPS on a 2500k because I've never seen FPS below about 100FPS even if I turn off cores and de-clock my current CPU
I don't think you you actually interpret the meaning/purpose of those benches right. Those bench at low res are meant to show strictly what the frame rate the CPUs are capable of delivering without being GPU bounded, and using whatever card the frame rate would be the same at that low res, as long as it is not GPU limited. If the CPU can only do 35fps, upgrading from CF4890 to a 7850 won't make any difference, and certainlly won't miraculous make the frame rate go above 35fps. Also, you didn't answer what games you played. Take BF3 for example, for the single player campaign the Athlon II X4 would do just as well as SB/IV i5 because it is GPU bounded, but for multiplayer on 32/64 serves, it would then struggle to hold 99% GPU usage with mid-high to high-end card. Just because YOU don't play any game that are CPU demanding, doesn't mean you can tell the OP it WON'T bottleneck...cause there are certainly PLENTY of games out there that does.

And it's certainly not good advise to tell the OP to upgrade to the 7850 just because he got the money...it is not gonna offer noticable better performance than his CF4890 especially with that CPU...so people are basically advising him to waste £180 for nothing.

Keep what he has, and upgrade his CPU/platform along with graphic card when he eventually save up enough money is what he should do.
 
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Still spouting rubbish i see... a q6600 has no problems playing caspian 64 with a 580 at 99% usage, so again i don't see how an x4 with 7850 will be any different

xfire 1gb cards wont be able to do that so i still say a 7850 would offer a good improvement on what he has now
 
Still spouting rubbish i see... a q6600 has no problems playing caspian 64 with a 580 at 99% usage, so again i don't see how an x4 with 7850 will be any different

xfire 1gb cards wont be able to do that so i still say a 7850 would offer a good improvement on what he has now
You might want to have a look at this thread before you keep insisting overclocked Core2Quad or Phenom II X4 wouldn't bottleneck:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18401196
and particular look at #34 the frame rate different between a Q6600 and IB 3570K both at 3.5GHz with just a SINGLE 5850.
 
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You might want to have a look at this thread before you keep insisting overclocked Core2Quad or Phenom II X4 wouldn't bottleneck:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18401196
and particular look at #34 the frame rate different between a Q6600 and IB 3570K both at 3.5GHz with just a SINGLE 5850.

In Crysis, a game from 2008 well known for not making use of more than 2 cores... bzzzt try again

oh and both cpus manage playable frame rates so you wouldnt really notice the difference anyway
 
In Crysis, a game from 2008 well known for not making use of more than 2 cores... bzzzt try again

oh and both cpus manage playable frame rates so you wouldnt really notice the difference anyway
No, it's Far Cry 2, which use 4 cores. Don't know why someone thought it was Crysis in that topic. You acknowledge that lack of use in cores could make the CPU bottleneck, yet you refused to look at the reality that game developers are still happily pumping out lazy console ports or games that use less than 4 cores far more than games that do for new releases.

Either way...spending £180 to upgrade from CF4890 to a 7850 would be more like upgrading from a 5850 1GB to a 5870 2GB, which the GPU grunt increase is hardly enough to justify the cost vs upgrade and other benefits would only be under the scenerio of IF games use more than 1GB of vram or if crossfire is a problem.
 
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I acknowledge that games from 2008 might show a big difference in fps but at numbers where you wouldn't actually notice the difference when playing

as ive repeatedly said based on my own experience of people like you telling me a q would be bottlenecking a 580, a phenom is a similar cpu and an overclocked 7850 is a similar gpu and my direct experience showed me that it wasn't

you've done exactly what i said you'd do and pulled up charts and figures of 4-5 year old games and/or low resolution results and called that "proof"
 
I acknowledge that games from 2008 might show a big difference in fps but at numbers where you wouldn't actually notice the difference when playing

as ive repeatedly said based on my own experience of people like you telling me a q would be bottlenecking a 580, a phenom is a similar cpu and an overclocked 7850 is a similar gpu and my direct experience showed me that it wasn't

you've done exactly what i said you'd do and pulled up charts and figures of 4-5 year old games and/or low resolution results and called that "proof"
You exaggerate greatly saying the games in the bench I linked being 4-5 years old; both the Civilization 5 and F1 2010...which Phenom II X4 fall far behind were games from 2010. In fact, F1 2010 is probably one of the best example for presenting lots of game out there- the game is CPU bounded, yet, it only uses 3 cores...which is why the Phenom II X4 980 (3.7GHz) lag behind i3 2100, despite its performance should stand shoulder to shoulder to it when all 4 cores are used as BFBC2 has proved.

Also, someone posted a link to review from Tom's a while ago (which I can't seem to find), and it shown that even in some recent games even CPU below i3 2100 like the G840 etc deliver better frame rate than Phenom II X4 in quite a few of them. If anyone saved the link and find that bench, please post it here.
 
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