AMD Bulldozer vs Intel Core: There's only one way to find out... fight!

[Dirtyganker]

I'd bet AMD's 8 core does sell quite well (Maybe not to those in the know)

You do know it's been out a little while now and it's already considered a flop. Anyone still wondering how well this CPU is going to sell might want to also take a look at the news regarding AMD potentially being bought out. They are ripe for takeover as an investment because they are currently under-performing.

But people don't know 1MHZ isn't an equal measure comparing two architectures.
So, for sub 150 you can get a 3.6GHZ 8 core CPU or for 170 you can get a 3.3GHZ quad core.

That FX8 on paper looks like an absolute knock out, people will buy them.

Sorry but I disagree completely - if this were a CPU sold as part of a desktop solution in some other high street retailer then maybe, but it's not. The target market for this sku oddly enough is the specialist segment where people are more likely to do their homework and read some reviews than just taking some poorly-trained high street saleman's BS as gospel.

 

[Martini1991]

You're free to disagree.
But these chips do sell because on paper they're a knock out compared to the Intel equivalents.
You only have to see the reviews people given them on site that people do indeed buy these things.
Also, they are in desktop solutions, take a look on site here.
The days of none nerds visiting OCUK are extinct and you will get people who belong in PCW buying from OCUK (A Prebuilt, hence why OCUK and the like supply these solutions)

 

[Spook187]

This thread needs one of these.

 

[Roalith]

I've been using AMD cpus for years now, but ive just upgraded from a 1055T and there was nothing that AMD had to offer.

The best bang for buck CPU is the i3-2120, its cheaper by a fair bit and better in games than the FX 8150.

If you're building a gaming rig, and you buy an FX8150, then you have simple not done enough research, there is no reason to buy one and there's no excuse to have one. This is coming for an AMD fan boy.

Loosely, I'm in agreement with you there. I swapped out to Intel CPUs back when AMD started doing the Athlon XP1700+ rebranding excercise, and after trading through to a Sandy i7 2630 QM laptop (Dell XPS 17 with GT 555), I decided the processor was too fast and the GPU too slow. So, I flogged it and went for a desktop box instead... now I wish I had done more research.

 

[Kaapstad]

I wish AMD would concentrate on making good dual/quad core CPUs to compete with sandy/ivy bridge. Once they get that right then add extra cores.

 

[MaxP779]

Misleading title, i thought this was an AMD fanboy resorting to comparing BD to intels core architecture chips aka core 2 duo, core 2 quad so that it looks a bit better

Yeah BD vs sandy bridge has been done to death, it dosent even beat nehalem or the phenom II's so its got no hope vs anything newer.

You're free to disagree.
But these chips do sell because on paper they're a knock out compared to the Intel equivalents.
You only have to see the reviews people given them on site that people do indeed buy these things.
Also, they are in desktop solutions, take a look on site here.
The days of none nerds visiting OCUK are extinct and you will get people who belong in PCW buying from OCUK (A Prebuilt, hence why OCUK and the like supply these solutions)

Yeah the reviews on here are great, love this example:

"Reviewed by: mark (spalding)

very fast, eats through installations. only negative i have is it runs slighty hotter than my old hex core, now paired with a watercooling kit that problem has been solved..........treat yourself you wont regret it"

It EATS THROUGH INSTALLATIONS guys! Windows install slow? FX 8120! Virus.exe never completes install? FX 8120! Never mind the dog slow hard drive you still use from 2002 or getting an SSD, buy an FX8120 it will chew through all installations of anything

 

[Dirtyganker]

That's entirely your opinion, and you're welcome to it. Personally, I feel that while yeah their performance might not be worth writing home about, they're still not bad enough to deserve the vitriolic drivel you are spouting.

Yes, it is my opinion, but I largely suspect that if you offered a free AMD FX cpu to just about any Intel Core ix owner they would probably feel the same way - when they have to spend 100's of additional pounds on other stuff that isn't a CPU then that investment also has to be justified by the use of that very vital component.

This is a forum, a place designed for discussion of issues related to public interest. If everyone just did their own homework, asked no questions or provided no opinions, the world would be a much less interesting place.

Yes, it's a forum to which other people have already contributed review data, some of which was with their own blood, sweat, tears and money - so not only have you contributed something of sod-all value, but you haven't exactly exhibited any degree of respect by contributing to the countless other threads which already exist containing useful information.

You're just flame baiting as I can't think of any other reason why someone would want to post something quite contentious and provoke a deliberate response, especially since some of the links to benchmarks you've posted are 8 months old.

And here I am feeding the troll /palm.

Moderators should delete this thread.

 

[Dirtyganker]

You're free to disagree.
But these chips do sell because on paper they're a knock out compared to the Intel equivalents.
You only have to see the reviews people given them on site that people do indeed buy these things.

Sorry mate but those reviews are junk. I've submitted my own objective reviews for items I've bought here and they never get posted up. They are designed to sell kit, not steer people toward a better solution. Why would OCuk want to keep negative reviews against a supplier's product?

Also, they are in desktop solutions, take a look on site here.

These are custom desktop solutions, and thats not what I'm refering to - find me a HP or Dell desktop with an AMD FX sku in it. I'm talking about the market segment where people do very little research and where MOST systems are actually sold. Because you'd have to be blind, stupid or have been living under a rock to buy an FX sku if you already have any kind of product knowledge of the Intel line-up.

 

[Roalith]

Yes, it is my opinion, but I largely suspect that if you offered a free AMD FX cpu to just about any Intel Core ix owner they would probably feel the same way - when they have to spend 100's of additional pounds on other stuff that isn't a CPU then that investment also has to be justified by the use of that very vital component.

Why on earth would anyone with a Core iX owner want to buy a Bulldozer? At no point do I suggest that anyone should convert over and spend an extra £50 on an additional motherboard, and I'm sorry if that's the impression you got. The point of this thread was for someone who has come from an older architecture and is considering an upgrade, but doesn't know which way to go.

Yes, it's a forum to which other people have already contributed review data, some of which was with their own blood, sweat, tears and money - so not only have you contributed something of sod-all value, but you haven't exactly exhibited any degree of respect by contributing to the countless other threads which already exist containing useful information.

Value is a very relative thing. If I had seen a thread like this when hunting around for purchasing info (admittedly, I didn't come here, and wish I had), I would have considered it very valuable. So shoot me for trying to be helpful.

You're just flame baiting as I can't think of any other reason why someone would want to post something quite contentious and provoke a deliberate response, especially since some of the links to benchmarks you've posted are 8 months old.

And here I am feeding the troll /palm.

Moderators should delete this thread.

I didn't intend for this to be contentious and flame-baiting in any way or form. Ok the links I posted were the fruits of some fairly simple googling, but I'm not the one that started the flaming here.

 

[Dirtyganker]

Yeah the reviews on here are great, love this example:

"Reviewed by: mark (spalding)

very fast, eats through installations. only negative i have is it runs slighty hotter than my old hex core, now paired with a watercooling kit that problem has been solved..........treat yourself you wont regret it"

It EATS THROUGH INSTALLATIONS guys! Windows install slow? FX 8120! Virus.exe never completes install? FX 8120! Never mind the dog slow hard drive you still use from 2002 or getting an SSD, buy an FX8120 it will chew through all installations of anything

+1, my point exactly. They are completely useless, in fact some are actually misleading or just plain uncorrect and should be removed. The fact that the text is not contained within OCuk's own blurb means they can leave it up there without getting caught up in the Sale Of Goods act. Although I've yet to see anything written that excludes the reviews as forming the legal description of the items for sale .... interesting.

 

[Martini1991]

Sorry mate but those reviews are junk.

Yes, they are, but my point is, people do buy them, as evident by those reviews.
People do buy FX CPU's, end of.

 

[joeyjojo]

I think this is a useful post. Shame this subforum is so harsh on BD.

It says that on a budget, for many normal users, a bulldozer cpu represents better value (power/£) than sandybridge. Not exactly controversial as they are more than adequate for most tasks, while the price has dropped very sharply since release.

 

[Martini1991]

I think this is a useful post. Shame this subforum is so harsh on BD.

It says that on a budget, for many normal users, a bulldozer cpu represents better value (power/£) than sandybridge. Not exactly controversial as they are more than adequate for most tasks, while the price has dropped very sharply since release.

But then those very users would be perfectly fine on a cheaper SB 45 quid chip, or better off with a cheaper Phenom II versus Bulldozer.
People are harsh on it because it shouldn't have been released and really hasn't done anything for the end user in terms of price/performance or overall performance.

 

[joeyjojo]

But then those very users would be perfectly fine on a cheaper SB 45 quid chip, or better off with a cheaper Phenom II versus Bulldozer.
People are harsh on it because it shouldn't have been released and really hasn't done anything for the end user in terms of price/performance or overall performance.

Office/internet/email would be fine with 45 quid, but probably not gamers. Even for them, a £100 bulldozer is probably a better deal than a £170 sandybridge, it gives them £70 more for graphics card.

But anyone who can stretch to SB probably should just for the power consumption.

Still, OP doesn't deserve such a grilling IMO

 

[Martini1991]

Office/internet/email would be fine with 45 quid, but probably not gamers. Even for them, a £100 bulldozer is probably a better deal than a £170 sandybridge, it gives them £70 more for graphics card.

But anyone who can stretch to SB probably should just for the power consumption.

Still, OP doesn't deserve such a grilling IMO

But then an i3 or even Phenom II is better than a 100 quid bulldozer for gaming.
Hell, my brothers G620 can push his 6850 all day long.

 

[MaxP779]

But then an i3 or even Phenom II is better than a 100 quid bulldozer for gaming.
Hell, my brothers G620 can push his 6850 all day long.

Yeah those SB pentiums and celerons are very good for the price.

 

[gavindo]

just a built the mrs a celeron based sb, it flys realy was surprised how well it ran.

 

[crimsonzerox]

Hi can I ask if fx6100 any good with asus sabertooth 990fx. If not, what could replace fx6100 with the same price range and terms of performance.

 

[ubersonic]

Hi can I ask if fx6100 any good with asus sabertooth 990fx. If not, what could replace fx6100 with the same price range and terms of performance.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-366-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=1671

Cheaper than the 6100 too, you will need the right mobo, however that right mobo will give you a lot of upgrade opportunity in the future to i5's/i7's.

 

[crimsonzerox]

Since its my first time trying to build a desktop I need some advise in processors and mobo and of course cooling. Which mobo should I get for the processor mentioned above? Any CPU cooler needed? I saw this noctua se2 thingy which i saw a few comment said its good and quiet. Is it true?