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670 or 7950?

A custom GTX 670 with the 'proper' PCB is a good deal at under £300, but then an HD 7970 can be had for £299, has extra ram, Ghz bios option or just usual volt overclocking etc...

Overall a cheap 7970 seems to be the best option this round. (Until Nvidia price drop) That's why I bought two myself, at £250 each, represented best overall value as performance is very similar this time in the high end...
 
I'll start with my Vantage score on a not so heavily overclocked (1105/1625) Sapphire 7950 on stock volts using the latest Beta 12.8 drivers.

Score
P36632 3DMarks

Graphics Score
37876

CPU Score
33345

As were all comparing Guru3D reviews i ask u to compare the GPU scores on the same review posted earlier in this thread.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/his-radeon-hd-7950-iceq-turbo-review/14

Oh look my 7950 beats all but the GTX 690 on the GPU score.

I'm no fanboy.. just stating what an easy overclock on a 7950 can do.

Btw heres my 3DMark11 Scores..

Score
P9771 3DMarks

Graphics Score
9573
Physics Score
11263
Combined Score
9368

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4100693

And i score 1928 in Heaven Bench.

I dont know why ppl are making it look like the 670 is so much better than a 7950. At the end of the day a 7950 can play pretty much most games maxed without a problem and i guess the same goes for the 670.

It's down to how much u wana spend and what u can do with the savings u make. The £60 saving which is talked about would go on a Zalman water cooler for my i7 if it was me buying here.

Funny thing about Guru3D is that they do reviews for AMD cards and then never review again with later and much better drivers so they just make AMD cards look pretty awful when Nvidia release their cards 4-6 months down the road. Dont be fooled by Guru's reviews using old drivers and never updating their scores.. find a reviewer that actually keeps up with newer driver releases and partly make decisions from those updated reviewers.

Anyway thats my 50 pence worth added :p

Edit.. just another pennies worth.. i ran the same bench in BF3 as they do on guru3D with these drivers and my average fps with fraps was around 58fps.. Guru's average is 44.. go figure?
 
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@MyBrians - 670's can push 10400 Gfx score and 2100 on Heaven 3.0 so the point still stands.

At what clock speeds? Somebody do 1160/1635 and then compare.

I'd push higher myself but i dont like messing with volts but hey i dont play benchmark apps every day :)
 
At what clock speeds? Somebody do 1160/1635 and then compare.

I'd push higher myself but i dont like messing with volts but hey i dont play benchmark apps every day :)

You can't run at the same clock speeds and call it a like for like comparison I'm afraid. The two cards work in different ways.
 
Oh i need to correct myself on the BF3 benchmark run.. it wasnt the level Guru3D ran.. it was Going Hunting that i ran it on.. Sorry :D
 
What a load of rubbish. No it's not, not even close. Especially on popular titles like BF3. Even the factory OC 7950's can't get close to a reference 670 and the 60 quid is worth every pennty when you're still more than 10 fps ahead of the AMD card and only 2fps behind the fastest single GPU card on the market.

Right im loling at you for just like you did someone else and accused them for selective cherry picking of 1 game, just liek you have bf3. My unbiased results are from guru3d benchs, using a 670/7950 stock, and msi oc edition for 1300mhz turbo. its well known that nvidia favours bf3. If thats the only gane the matters then yes nvidia based makes sense. Fact Depending on game the reality is you are are going to see a win for red or green.

However lets look at crysis 2.
7950
800mhz 56 fps vs 670 (stock) = 59
900mhz 60 fps vs 670 msi oc edition (1080) = 63
1125mhz 71 fps vs 670 msi oc edition (1300) = 69

Wonder how much more the 7950 could scale with a 12-1300 clock? Remember its a cheaper card but 1200 is usually easily achievable on the better made 7950cards.

look at anno 2070
7950
800mhz 67 fps vs 670 (stock) = 75fps
900mhz 75 fps vs 670 msi oc edition (1080) = 87
1125mhz unknown vs 670 msi oc edition (1300) = unkown

Now we see the nvidia ahead by quite a lot, what I don't have is higher clocks from both cards to see how the 7950 would be able to close the gap or if the gap would still remain. Remember this isn't a 7970.

Alien vs predator because its the only other game which is on there to compare higher overclocks for both cards.
7950
800mhz 50 fps vs 670 (stock) = 51 fps
900mhz 54 fps vs 670 msi oc edition (1080) = 52
1125mhz 64 fps vs 670 msi oc edition (1300) = 61

Pretty much a tie remember this isn't a 7970 its a 250-280 card which should be able to hit 1200mhz or more.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/his-radeon-hd-7950-iceq-turbo-review/20

If you want to save yourself 60 quid then fine, buy the cheap card. But don't kid yourself by trying to compare a factory oc version to even the basic reference 670.

Take a look at the 3D Mark 11 figures - the reference 670 is 1001 points clear of the factory oc 7950 :-

http://www.guru3d.com/article/his-radeon-hd-7950-iceq-turbo-review/20

What rock have you been hiding under? Please, give us a real reason to waste 240 quid.

3dmark 11
7950
800mhz 6800 vs 670 (stock) = 8455
900mhz 7454 vs 670 msi oc edition (1080) = 9258
1125mhz 9008 vs 670 msi oc edition (1300) = 9875



3d mark 11 does show higher values on the nvidia side, but honestly its irrelevant you telling me you bought a £300+ card to not game on?


And throw away your warranty and suddenly that 100 pound saving, which is actually only a 60 quid saving, turns out costing you 240 quid when it goes pop. Guru3d didn't even push their own card that far and everyone elses experience will vary.

Agreed everyones experiences will vary some will clock higher some with safe voltages. Every chip is different i imagine the cheaper 7950s wont have an unlocked vrm controller, But Sapphire 7950/oc or a windforce 7950 should have and come with better cooling
.

The reality is that a GTX670 really doesn't need to be overclocked. They are plenty fast enough already at HD resolutions. You're only overclocking to boost your epeen, it adds no other value or benefit.

The reality is thers two different types of 670, a 670 and a 670 using a 680 pcb!Something that no-one has mentioned on this thread yet! The 670 is plenty fast enough i agree but thats only because it was clocked with an inch of its life from the factory first, And really how old are you to say overclocking is only to boost epeen, its proven by the benches that with core/memory frequency increases the 7950 gains performance. My opinion is similar to a few others on here either card will do the job, depending on what games you currently play should help determine which direction you take.

No mate Epeen by defintion would be your computer sig.
 
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Doubt it gregster, not all the 7970's can hit that, ,so the same will apply for the 50's.

I imagine they will hit 1100MHz though, unless you are seriously unlucky.

True.. i can hit 1100MHz easily with stock volts but going to 1200MHz means i gotta up the volts and i'm not too happy with doing that as i dont wana break it.

Oh and my Sapphire 7950 is the one with the 7970 PCB (8-pin + 6-pin connectors) If my balls were bigger i'd pump up those volts :p
 
I would definitely get an aftermarket cooler, after having reference designs for the past few years, and getting custom coolers on the old 7950 and 670, I won't be going back. I can't say I've noticed any difference at all with regards to heat or noise output.
 
Doubt it gregster, not all the 7970's can hit that, ,so the same will apply for the 50's.

I imagine they will hit 1100MHz though, unless you are seriously unlucky.

Cheers Tommy. 1100 is still a good clock and will play any game currently out @ 1080P comfortably (the same as the 670)

True.. i can hit 1100MHz easily with stock volts but going to 1200MHz means i gotta up the volts and i'm not too happy with doing that as i dont wana break it.

Oh and my Sapphire 7950 is the one with the 7970 PCB (8-pin + 6-pin connectors) If my balls were bigger i'd pump up those volts :p

Pfffft This site is called Overclockers...Man the **** up and get to work on those volts. Plenty of guys here will help :)
 
Pfffft This site is called Overclockers...Man the **** up and get to work on those volts. Plenty of guys here will help :)

haha.. too funny! Well maybe after i've had the card a while i'll man up and give it a go :D

As it goes for choosing between these 2 cards i think its just personal preference.. they both perform great in all games so its down to which side u wana go with. I personally like the 3GB VRAM as sometime i'll be logged into Second Life on one monitor chatting to friends while playing BF3 on my second monitor.. VRAM goes well over 2GB in that scenario :p
 
I can't break 2000 with my card, maybe I'm doing something wrong, I don't know, however it plays the games I play just fine so I've left it stock.

3dmarkscores-1.jpg


That is from the 3DMark11 thread. Not that it matters as both will perform just fine in games but the 670's are scoring well on GFX as you can see.
 
haha.. too funny! Well maybe after i've had the card a while i'll man up and give it a go :D

As it goes for choosing between these 2 cards i think its just personal preference.. they both perform great in all games so its down to which side u wana go with. I personally like the 3GB VRAM as sometime i'll be logged into Second Life on one monitor chatting to friends while playing BF3 on my second monitor.. VRAM goes well over 2GB in that scenario :p

It's not personal preference because that implies they're even like the 680/7970 when maxed out.

The 670 is faster and more expensive; the 7950 is slower and cheaper.

Both are fast cards.
 
I bet you get wicked kill rates on second life if you are chatting on BF3... oh no, hang on...

p.s. roflmao at chatting to "friends" on "second life"
do you all not just have yahoo/msn/facebook/telephone/legs/car/pub?
 
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