Son's Maths teacher openly discussed his exam results with the classroom

[Theophany]

To me this is the equivalent of your boss announcing what you earn a month to your colleagues.

Not on. Make a complaint. Exam results are not intended to be public knowledge, it seems everybody saying ****e to the effect of 'man up' needs a reality check. Just because it happened to you 300 years ago when you were a kid doesn't mean it's acceptable nor that other children should have to go through it.

e: no, I'm not a lefty. I just don't think it's proper that personal information should be put into the public domain.

 

[Tefal]

We need to focus more on what is TAUGHT, not be told how finish a bloody test.

You can teach 10 people the exact same thing and get 10 different levels of retention and understanding, without assessing that it is impossible to determine their capabilities.

 

[Biohazard]

He is essentially claiming his teacher is victimising him, being a victim is all about making excuses for bad things (this happened because somebody did this to me).

He is complaining to his father about a teachers conduct.

I don't agree with your assessment on victimisation either, being a victim is about suffering at the hands of someone else. You are not automatically to blame in anyway for any reason for becoming a victim, irrespective if it is a perception of bullying or something like an assault. The logic is the same irrespective.

Can you answer my question now, how is the father encouraging victimhood here?

In this case the outward appearance is that he is embarrassed because his teacher told their class he didn't make the required grade but I suspect he's just embarrassed because he didn't make the grade.

Possibly, or possibly not we will not know. All we have is what we are presented with.

 

[Morba]

To me this is the equivalent of your boss announcing what you earn a month to your colleagues.

Not on. Make a complaint. Exam results are not intended to be public knowledge, it seems everybody saying ****e to the effect of 'man up' needs a reality check. Just because it happened to you 300 years ago when you were a kid doesn't mean it's acceptable nor that other children should have to go through it.

e: no, I'm not a lefty. I just don't think it's proper that personal information should be put into the public domain.

How is it? The kid is now in a lower class, it's obvious why so why beat around the bush?

 

[arknor]

My teacher once blasted me in front of the class because I did my home work on "toilet paper"

My mum was always into recycling so its all i had to use.....

One of my art teachers once yelled at someone for taking a ruler out of their bag aswell lol she went proper mental

 

[estebanrey]

To me this is the equivalent of your boss announcing what you earn a month to your colleagues.

Don't see a problem with that.

Only people who know they are being paid more than everyone else for doing the same job should have a problem with it really.

Never understood the secrecy behind people's pay levels, it's nothing more than a smokescreen for companies to pay people different rates for doing the same thing and trying to hide that fact.

 

[Biohazard]

How is it? The kid is now in a lower class, it's obvious why so why beat around the bush?

Privacy? Respect?

I know the commonsense ideals here, but you don't know how people react that's the thing about individuals and their private/social/educational or work life.

 

[Tefal]

To me this is the equivalent of your boss announcing what you earn a month to your colleagues.

Not on. Make a complaint. Exam results are not intended to be public knowledge, it seems everybody saying ****e to the effect of 'man up' needs a reality check. Just because it happened to you 300 years ago when you were a kid doesn't mean it's acceptable nor that other children should have to go through it.

e: no, I'm not a lefty. I just don't think it's proper that personal information should be put into the public domain.

unless the kids are retarded when the student isn't in the set that requires a 1 or a 2 it's pretty ****ing obvious they didn't get a one or a two.

 

[hyperst]

I'd make sure it was actually the teacher that said it in the first place, kids are not stupid and if your son was not telling his friends why he was not in the class, well it don't take a genius to work out the kids could have made the story up about the teacher telling them just to get the truth from your son.

 

[Morba]

Privacy?

Hang on, what other reason, than a bad result, would mean dropping down a level?
There is no need for privacy as its in everyone's face

 

[jackthezipper]

He got a "1" all the way up to the exam day and was in the top 4 or 5 in the class - all of his other results were very good indeed. It seems the result was a freak one

Did the school not have mock exams for the classes so there was evidence he could appeal with. I'm sure if he was a 1 all the way then with mock exams he could have had it appealed.

 

[Theophany]

How is it? The kid is now in a lower class, it's obvious why so why beat around the bush?

Because it isn't anybody else's business as to why he's in a lower class. Much the same as it isn't anybody else's business why pay grades can vary wildly for people doing the same job.

unless the kids are retarded when the student isn't in the set that requires a 1 or a 2 it's pretty ****ing obvious they didn't get a one or a two.

1. If they're retarded, they shouldn't be in a higher class.
2. Then what's the need to ask in the first place? There is no acceptable or even logical rationale for it to be discussed.

 

[Moothead2]

To me this is the equivalent of your boss announcing what you earn a month to your colleagues.

Not on. Make a complaint. Exam results are not intended to be public knowledge, it seems everybody saying ****e to the effect of 'man up' needs a reality check. Just because it happened to you 300 years ago when you were a kid doesn't mean it's acceptable nor that other children should have to go through it.

e: no, I'm not a lefty. I just don't think it's proper that personal information should be put into the public domain.

But it really isn't though. There's no easy way to tell what people are on just by looking and interacting with them in the office. In school, the fact he's in the lower set class makes it obvious he got a 3-4 so the teacher saying he got a 3-4 as the reason he is no longer in the top class makes no difference.

 

[estebanrey]

Much the same as it isn't anybody else's business why pay grades can vary wildly for people doing the same job.

Except the fact that technically it's illegal to pay people different rates for doing the same job, although I'll concede it's only taken seriously if the complainer is female and the person on the higher rate is male.

 

[Biohazard]

Hang on, what other reason, than a bad result, would mean dropping down a level?
There is no need for privacy as its in everyone's face

Quite. Which is why a teacher should be smarter than creating this situation in the first place when students should use their intuition or common sense themself. Or reffer the class to the student himself.

It would be like being demoted at work, and my boss telling all my colleagues the reason for my departure from their group. The enquiry is genuine, but the response has to be muted.

Simple analogy but pretty similar I'd think. The latter could very well end up in a grievance.

 

[Theophany]

But it really isn't though. There's no easy way to tell what people are on just by looking and interacting with them in the office. In school, the fact he's in the lower set class makes it obvious he got a 3-4 so the teacher saying he got a 3-4 as the reason he is no longer in the top class makes no difference.

Yes. Because this kind of name and shame policy really encourages kids to do better after crashing and burning, rather than making them pull their socks up.

I'm all for tough love and making sure that you take your failures to heart to some degree, but publicly naming and shaming students is for the birds. You cannot collect your exam results without proof of identity, why should this be any different?

Except the fact that technically it's illegal to pay people different rates for doing the same job, although I'll concede it's only taken seriously if the complainer is female and the person on the higher rate is male.

Are you a professional moron, or are you just so naive to the world that you spout this nonsense and proclaim it as fact because you actually believe it?

 

[Duff-Man]

Meh. Announcing exam results shouldn't be an issue in my humble opinion. Berating a pupil publicly for getting a lower than expected result on the other hand... Not very professional at all.


To put things in context: When you study Maths at Cambridge, all exam results are very announced in a very public fashion.

Imagine the scene: 200 nervous, sweaty mathematicians all assembled in a hall, along with at least as many curious spectators. The place is packed. A group of lecturers and professors appear on a balcony above, in full academic dress. They read through the class lists, starting with firsts (in alphabetical order), followed by 2:1s, then 2:2s, thirds then fails. Everybody is listening intently, hoping to hear their name. Some people are cheering and jumping around with joy. Others are (quite literally) sat on the floor crying with their arms around their knees. The air is full of joy, pain, and the odour of poor bodily hygiene. Once the reading is done, the academics throw down hundreds of copies of the class list for everyone to take away and devour at their leisure. Everybody knows exactly how well their peers have done (or not!).

I admit it was quite a unique spectacle, but not something I'd care to repeat! As hard as I was trying to keep myself composed, I'll admit to being nervous as ****.

 

[Morba]

Because it isn't anybody else's business as to why he's in a lower class. Much the same as it isn't anybody else's business why pay grades can vary wildly for people doing the same job.




1. If they're retarded, they shouldn't be in a higher class.
2. Then what's the need to ask in the first place? There is no acceptable or even logical rationale for it to be discussed.

You are in a class based on your grade. He was in a better class now he's not. If you don't know why that is then there is something wrong with you.
It has no comparison at all to salary or workplace tbh

 

[Theophany]

You are in a class based on your grade. He was in a better class now he's not. If you don't know why that is then there is something wrong with you.
It has no comparison at all to salary or workplace tbh

That is not a defence or justification for what happened. It's apologist tripe.

 

[Moothead2]

Yes. Because this kind of name and shame policy really encourages kids to do better after crashing and burning, rather than making them pull their socks up.

I'm all for tough love and making sure that you take your failures to heart to some degree, but publicly naming and shaming students is for the birds. You cannot collect your exam results without proof of identity, why should this be any different?

I don't see any tough love or naming and shaming going on, my interpretation is that the kids asked and the teacher answered.