Don't do this. Being forced to do revision will only harbour resentment.
Son's Maths teacher openly discussed his exam results with the classroom
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Don't do this. Being forced to do revision will only harbour resentment.
Classes in 3rd and 4th year were split. The OP says that his child is going into the 'standard' class rather than the 'credit' class in 5th year. My entire point is that there is no 'credit' class when you are in 5th year. There is just one level.
I think they were separate papers but this was in 2005 and I've had a lot of whisky since then so memory was a bit hazy.
I'm not sure what the "General and credit" refers to, but if you look at the English papers there is a 'all' level writing paper. So, some subjects (or units) may be catered for by one exam. Especially those where you are given relatively free reign. ARt would probably be another one.
We had Credit/General AND General/Credit classes, which might sound like a superflous disctinction especially in relation to the same test both classes sat but there was a hierarchy and definately a variation in topics studied.
In higher, we all studied the main core units but 'extras'[?] differed, and while we sat the same higher paper the same composition from Standard Grade classes along Credit/General and General/Credit remained in a status quo. It was possible for people to be moved down in estimation, and thus class, but it was just an offchance possibility or hypothetical I thought I would mention in the absense of the OP. We had two higher classes, doing the same paper but certainly seperate. With the 'bright' pupils in the upper class.
That was what I was trying to highlight initially, although I think we've or I have got lost in a muddle here and it sounds dependent on the school/department by the looks of it.
I want someone to answer why the SQA have the category I highlighted though, it's bugging me now what it is about.
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Yes, but it could be terminology or something akin to what I've described. Possibly neither, I just thought I'd interject for something to do on a cloudy Thursday evening.
Right yeah that sounds right.
Hmmm. I wish I could find old papers now, going to have to investigate further and come back.
Its hard not to get annoyed with parents that are over protective TBH. Its not the teachers fault you son is not in his class anymore, and he has to be honest. He could have said "I can't say why!" but from my experience of school that would have been much worse.
I would take heart from the fact your son is embarrassed that he's had one bad knock back in life, and I would encourage him into channelling those bad feelings in making sure he learns and becomes a better person for it. If my life is anything to go by it will not the first time things do not go his way.
If you want to do the opposite of that and teach him how not to behave in life when things don't quite go his way than just do what you said you were going to do and go in to school and kick off at a guy who has a massively difficult job to do and blame him for everything..... Just the ticket.
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It looks like you haven't read the whole thread there to be frank - a lot has changed since the first post and you haven't quite caught what I was getting at.
I don't think a lot of people did to be honest.
Perhaps you need to be more obvious with the subtleties in future.
Except its nothing like as damn boss telling people what you earn, this school where you go to learn about life.
Lots of kids coming out of school seem think the world owes them a living because they've been pandered to by powerless teachers and parents who daren't say anything to them. People with attitudes like yours are part of the problem....
That would include it is acceptable for your personal information to be discussed with others within an instution it is not a concern of; in your absense without your permission?
I don't think the lad should complain, and I'm happy that I've read the thread and know that his son intends to get on with it.
I'm not sure why everyone jumps on this kneejerk reaction to what is a civil, and genuine inquiry. Sure we can all have an opinion as to why the kid is feeling like that, but even children are individuals and incidents can effect them just the same dependent upon their personallity.
I was in English once and went to the library for something, came back about ten minutes later and when I sat down my pal John was giving me a suprised expression. I asked what was up and he explained in my absense that the English Head had come in and asked my teacher about the quality of my specialist study she had reviewed. The departmental head essentially said infront of the whole class she did not believe it was an original effort. My teacher retorted that it was my work she could prove it by way of my several drafts she had reviewed. The conversation apparently ended with a mention of me moving up a class, to which my teacher said my aptitude depended on my attitude and that would need to improve.
Overall, I was quite chuffed actually. Showed that stuck up cow something, the English head that was, but at the back of my head was a bit miffed such a conversation took in place of others in my absense particuarly when other teachers in different departments made a point of asking permission before doing so.
I wasn't offended enough to complain, which I wouldn't seek parental guidance to do anyway, but I was certainly offended by the way it was undertaken which was quite unusual given my experiences to that point. Even if it was in effect a compliment.
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Now that you mention it there might well have been something similar at my high school as the distinction makes sense to me and there were about 6 different classes to cater for the various abilities in many subjects - obviously fewer classes to split up ability in the less popular subjects. This probably isn't helping doopydug much so apologies for that but I'm rather enjoying this little reminisicing session.
I'm not sure about the SQA question though - the highest result should always override the lower so that seems like a redundant category given there's only a single paper at each level as far as I recall.
Oh blow me. So I think kids shouldn't be treated like it's 1932. And that makes me the root cause of society being in decline?
FYI, I went through all that crap at school. It didn't harm me personally, but I saw people that did get harmed by it in some way. Sometimes people much smarter than me, sometimes not so. Try a little empathy and understand that the world does not revolve around you and your insignificant life experiences.
Put the Daily Mail down and get a freaking grip.
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Being a teacher myself, this has been an interesting thread to read through. In particular, reading through some of the observations and suggested ways to deal with the initial situation.
I have no idea if class results would fall under the DPA, however a single grade on its own is not personally identifiable, but linked with a name it clearly would be. I know that in five years of teaching including training, the issue of disclosing grades from a legal standpoint to students has never come up (nor have I ever known it to be a problem). GCSE and AS/A-level results are always given out in envelopes? The ethics of disclosing results is something often discussed though (see below).
Considering my own experiences. I never had a problem with my own school teachers reading out my class results (good or bad), but I have a lot of students I teach who get nervous about these moments in time. As such, I always ask the class if there is anyone who would like there results removing from the class lists that go up on the board. Given this method, I don't believe I have ever had a child worrying in one of my classes, or I'd hope not at least. But then I am also a strong believer that using negative startegies in a classroom just does not work; ruling by fear or negativity never gets the best out of young people long term.
I have no idea if class results would fall under the DPA, however a single grade on its own is not personally identifiable, but linked with a name it clearly would be. I know that in five years of teaching including training, the issue of disclosing grades from a legal standpoint to students has never come up (nor have I ever known it to be a problem). GCSE and AS/A-level results are always given out in envelopes? The ethics of disclosing results is something often discussed though (see below).
Considering my own experiences. I never had a problem with my own school teachers reading out my class results (good or bad), but I have a lot of students I teach who get nervous about these moments in time. As such, I always ask the class if there is anyone who would like there results removing from the class lists that go up on the board. Given this method, I don't believe I have ever had a child worrying in one of my classes, or I'd hope not at least. But then I am also a strong believer that using negative startegies in a classroom just does not work; ruling by fear or negativity never gets the best out of young people long term.
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I understand where you are coming from. But, rather than attacking the teacher, do you not believe it would better to encourage the student in question, to work harder, so he can attend the "upper" class?
If children are molly-cuddled and prevented from understanding the concept of competition and are not informed of the fact that only the best performers will be given the best Uni/College places or Jobs, then they won't strive to achieve their best.
The concept of competition and achieving high grades is in-grained into bowels of schooling systems in China, Japan and USA (but to name a few) and these countries do seem to churn out some great students.
Many children get by without trying hard at school. When they leave school and go for jobs (or college/uni places), they are shocked when they are told that those who did do well at school, are being given priority.
A year or so ago, we had the London riots, during which time many youths were complaining about the job situation. My answer to them is that they should've tried harder during their school days. The top students tend not struggle to find jobs or college places.
I love how a fair amount of people automatically presume, from very little prima facie evidence, that this lad harbours a grievance because he has not achieved potential results. The alternative is equally as valid, that offence was borne from the incident itself and that alone.
Is a very unsympathetic and generalising view to take in my opinion.
There are always those better than others intellectually, educationally and in terms of luck but to ignore entirely real and serious economic problems of late and current - particularly hitting in the younger demographics - to merely tell everyone they should have tried harder to be at the top of the pyramid is as disengenious as telling people to get a bus to get a job. All the while the gulf grows.
If they could they would. Nor are all our young people rioting yobs in London and elsewhere in England either, try as hard as they want in life they are still severely set back by the people at the top of the 'pyramid'.
Top students are more likely to succeed, but the truth of the matter is only a small percentage of children are top students.
Is a very unsympathetic and generalising view to take in my opinion.
There are always those better than others intellectually, educationally and in terms of luck but to ignore entirely real and serious economic problems of late and current - particularly hitting in the younger demographics - to merely tell everyone they should have tried harder to be at the top of the pyramid is as disengenious as telling people to get a bus to get a job. All the while the gulf grows.
If they could they would. Nor are all our young people rioting yobs in London and elsewhere in England either, try as hard as they want in life they are still severely set back by the people at the top of the 'pyramid'.
Top students are more likely to succeed, but the truth of the matter is only a small percentage of children are top students.
Indeed, that is correct - overall his results were very good and he is pleased with them - did better than expected and this "freak" result will be extinguished on appeal - no harm done there.
It is the manner of the teacher that was his problem but, all being well, it is forgotten about and things have moved on now.
It is the manner of the teacher that was his problem but, all being well, it is forgotten about and things have moved on now.
I disagree completely.
When I was at school, there were those who worked hard on their studies and those who just idled their way through school.
If you work hard, there is a far higher chance that you will end up with better grades. Your higher grades will lead to better college places. Which in turn, could end up in securing a job.
Obviously, there are exceptions to the above rule (being caused by the recession). However, as a child (and parent), you have to ensure that you improve your chances of getting a job in the future, by working hard.
I live in London and routinely see youths hanging around tubes stations and bus stations...doing nothing. Are you seriously trying to tell me that these individuals are trying their best and working as hard at school/college, as possible?
And with regards to be unsympathetic: I have no sympathy for individuals who riot, who burn down shops, who rob shops, and who destroy other peoples property. These people deserve punishment. I can understand a man stealing a loaf of bread because he has no food. But to smash up shops for the heck of it...this is unacceptable.
I think you have conveniently conflated or avoided my point, and added a strawman or two for good measure.
I did not say such youths are trying, but I did not palm off all youths as being the same which you were a ball hair away from doing.
Anyway, i can't help how you feel about the younger generation clearly.
Although it isn't just a case of try hard, and I'm talking about the people you don't see pratting about the street.
But I suspect I'm wasting my time here.
Butthurt.
Teacher said kid was no longer in that class because he didn't get the grades to other students and he got embarrassed by it for some reason and wanted to formally complain.
Some people said to man up and move on and some said the teacher was out of order.
OPs kid cooled down and decided not to formally complain.
Then it just seemed to turn into an argument of how the Scottish schooling system works. I couldn't be bothered reading on from there and gave up.