Private Members' Clubs

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What are peoples' opinions on private members' clubs these days and their membership criteria? Should they be allowed to determine their membership however they see fit (and free of government interference) or should they be forced to open their books to avoid discrimination of any sort?

I only ask because I notice there are still plenty of societies/clubs who restrict their membership by way of a nomination and black-ball system. Personally, I don't see a problem with this - each section of society should be entitled to have places or groups where they can feel comfortable within each others' company, providing there is no malicious agenda.
 
sort of self selecting anyway... you're not going to find many bankers at the local working men's club and bill the plumber isn't going to be applying for membership of whites any time soon

some of these places revolve around professions, political parties, schools/universities, industries, parts of the armed forces etc... would be rather pointless to just let anyone in. There are clubs out there for pretty much anyone and everyone so I don't really see the issue.
 
PianoBasher said:
Personally, I don't see a problem with this - each section of society should be entitled to have places or groups where they can feel comfortable within each others' company, providing there is no malicious agenda.
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What part of "I don't like this person so he can't join" is not malicious?
 
Well there is this strange society at the heart of our democracy, its called the government, and the main job, that of the Prime Minister, in order to be allowed that role you have to be in a very special club.
Its called the 'You are not allowed to be a Catholic club'.

I can't see how the law can be used to restrict any societies or clubs rules when it forbids and discriminates against one religion, yet allows any others.
 
dowie said:
sort of self selecting anyway... you're not going to find many bankers at the local working men's club and bill the plumber isn't going to be applying for membership of whites any time soon

some of these places revolve around professions, political parties, schools/universities, industries etc...
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The main reason I asked is because I can't figure out how these places stand legally. Is there actually any clout enforcement wise?

I'm a member of a few clubs myself, and while I would like a few mates to join, I know they'd be instantly blackballed because of their background. It's a bit sad but I just accept that's the way it is. Thing is, it's a difficult thing to explain to them. :p
 
Telescopi said:
What part of "I don't like this person so he can't join" is not malicious?
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None, its a private members club.

You do the same thing here when you ban someone, we dont like what you've said, you cant be part of our club.

Its not malicious, they just cant be part of the club.

If someone wants to run a club they can put what ever criteria for membership they want, and nobody should care.
 
People should be free to discriminate, it's natural.

Organized groups should be able to decide who joins their group or not with any reasoning.
 
I find it totatally bizzare that anyone would think they should have the right to assess or alter the enterence criteria for someone else private club.
That is not too different from suggesting that government should legislate that we should all be friends. Nonsense.
 
Telescopi said:
What part of "I don't like this person so he can't join" is not malicious?
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It's not 'malicious' is it? We all do a similar thing with friendship.
We decide who we want to be friends with and we all have people we don't like.

If a group of like minded people want to get together then so be it, if they want to exclude others from their club for whatever reason they like so be it.

So long as their club does not 'do' anything to the detriment of those excluded then it's nobodies business.

(In my opinion of course)
 
There should be no bars on membership of any organisation. Anyone that would want to join a club of people they have nothing in common with and be subjected to their ******** deserve everything they get.

I've seen enough of the OO and AOH in action to know I dislike faith based membership groups of any sort.
 
I think people have the right to discriminate based on whatever factors they want. As long as it is a voluntary association, I don't see any problem with it. I think individual discrimination often gets miss-associated with institutionalized racism. When you meet someone in the street who is asking to use your mobile phone for example, you will make certain judgements based on their appearance and this is completely normal. But this is nothing like ethnic cleansing or mass murder or segregation.

Just the same i think businesses should be allowed to decide who they want to do business with based on whatever factors they want. If a business decides not to do business with certain people that is to their loss, loss of customer base and it could also possibly tarnish their reputation which further indirectly reduces their customer base.

I find it strange that business can have a right of admission reserved but in fine print it says as long as you are not x or x or x. But what makes it silly is that you can just not specify that the person is not allowed in for a non allowed reason and you can get away with it. I think it comes down to the right to do business with who you want and the government not having the right to force you to do business with people who you don't want.

Having a gay club is ok but having a club that homosexuals are not allowed in is illegal. They argue but straight people are not banned from homosexual clubs. You can go to a bmw owners club and try arrive with a mercedes and see if you are welcome.

wow turned out much longer that i thought it would :(
 
PianoBasher said:
What are peoples' opinions on private members' clubs these days and their membership criteria? Should they be allowed to determine their membership however they see fit (and free of government interference) or should they be forced to open their books to avoid discrimination of any sort?

I only ask because I notice there are still plenty of societies/clubs who restrict their membership by way of a nomination and black-ball system. Personally, I don't see a problem with this - each section of society should be entitled to have places or groups where they can feel comfortable within each others' company, providing there is no malicious agenda.
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as long as its not "whites only" or "no women" you're pretty much ok i think.

I.E the BNP have to accept none whites now after the courts ruled against it.
 
EdwardTeach said:
I find it totatally bizzare that anyone would think they should have the right to assess or alter the enterence criteria for someone else private club.
That is not too different from suggesting that government should legislate that we should all be friends. Nonsense.
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yeah but with the whole history of segregation and massive wide spread discrimination against all sorts of groups, we've kinda proved we're not grown up enough to not abuse it.
 
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