So, 6 months after 7xxx series. What's next?

[PorkPieCat]

i guess 780 will probably have 3gb vram and a wider memory bus. 8970 might have more gaming thingies... shader cores? whatever cores so it's more balanced as a gaming rather than compute card. apparently the 7970 lacks so and so cores needed to make it more optimized for gaming.

nvidia is claiming tsmc's providing chips really slowly right now, and it will hopefully improve in december. maybe next gen will have more sensible prices

 

[Rusty0611]

I'd happily rip out my PSU to run two next gen cards with a huge power increase requirement. HAPPILY!

 

[no_1_dave]

Its a blurry mess

You haven't tried it

 

[psychodil]

You haven't tried it

No but Anandtech have.

"Unfortunately by gaming standards it’s also really blurry. This is due to the combination of the wide tent MSAA samples – which if you remember your history, ATI tried at one time – and the temporal filter blending data from multiple frames. TXAA does a completely fantastic job of eliminating temporal and other forms of aliasing, but it does so at a notable cost to image clarity."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-ti-review/6

 

[Gregster]

No but Anandtech have.

"Unfortunately by gaming standards it’s also really blurry. This is due to the combination of the wide tent MSAA samples – which if you remember your history, ATI tried at one time – and the temporal filter blending data from multiple frames. TXAA does a completely fantastic job of eliminating temporal and other forms of aliasing, but it does so at a notable cost to image clarity."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-ti-review/6

Time will tell and hopefully the "first look" is not the way forward.

 

[humbug]

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/22102/rumortt_amd_radeon_hd_8970_coming_soon/index.html

We posted a leaked Sapphire document yesterday and something I noticed were the black lines drawn through some of the details, mainly the stream processors on "Toxic ZX" and "Da Original" where it seems they had SP counts of 2304.

2304 is much higher than the 2048 stock, and according to PC Perspective, if this card were to come out, with the SP's running at 1225MHz, we could expect another 35- to 45-percent increase over the stock HD 7970.

If this were true, this could be a product AMD are keeping back from us all, waiting for NVIDIA to strike with their Kepler hammer. AMD have always been great at moving to another, smaller process and maybe this time with how good the 7000-series cards are, they struck gold. Decided to keep the treasure map to the true power of these cards, and if they've gotten there now... we could expect an AMD Radeon HD 8970 if it's true.

I'm sure you're laughing, why are we discussing an 8000-series. Well, if AMD had a near 50-percent increase with the extra SP's, they have all the right in the world to jump up a generation in numbers. NVIDIA could launch their GeForce GTX 780, but unless that's a huge jump in performance, it might not be enough to tackle this dream chip from AMD.

Let's play a waiting game now... as always, a pinch of salt is required.

AMD Sea Island “Tenerife GPU” Leaked – Features Enhanced GCN Architecture, Over 4.50 TFlops Raw Processing Power

 

[OptimaLnrg]

Not interested in next gen atm, looking to upgrade to the 900 series/9000 series probably.

edit: actually.. not so sure. resale value on my cards will drop off a lot if I wait to long.. lol

 

[psychodil]

humbug, why are you posting rumours from january? Its august already mate.

 

[humbug]

humbug, why are you posting rumours from january? Its august already mate.

Yes i know, people wanted to know whats after the 7###.

Well it seems AMD are holding back on the 'Big Radeon'

I hope this time they wait for Nvidia to show there hand.

 

[HighlandeR]

so next summer we get atis new cards ?!

 

[Rusty0611]

Yes i know, people wanted to know whats after the 7###.

Well it seems AMD are holding back on the 'Big Radeon'

I hope this time they wait for Nvidia to show there hand.

Why do you care? Surely all that matter is who has the better range whether that be nVidia or AMD.

Unless you only buy AMD of course which would be rather stupid.

 

[Duff-Man]

Yes i know, people wanted to know whats after the 7###.

Well it seems AMD are holding back on the 'Big Radeon'

I hope this time they wait for Nvidia to show there hand.

You realise that those reports are six to eight months old, right? And based on a single document that was passed around (and of questionable origin) before the release of the 7xxx series?

 

[psychodil]

AMD are benefitting from getting their chips to market first, so I'm sure that strategy will continue. At this point GK110 and 'big radeon' are nothing but vaporware, probably both canned due to excessive heat output.

 

[Duff-Man]

AMD are benefitting from getting their chips to market first, so I'm sure that strategy will continue. At this point GK110 and 'big radeon' are nothing but vaporware, probably both canned due to excessive heat output.

GK110 is very much alive - Nvidia's Tesla line is relying very heavily on it appearing this year. The real question is whether it will ever appear as a gaming card.

I suspect we may see a divergence of gaming and compute GPUs from here on out. Depending on the timeframe for the next-gen GPUs we may see a "cut-down" version of GK110 appear for gaming - one which has the same number of CUDA cores as GK110 (2304), but a reduced amount of compute logic and interconnects (which would naturally allow a higher clockspeed). I guess it depends on whether Nvidia considers it worth the extra resources - diverging the product lines is an expensive undertaking.

So far Nvidia has leveraged the high-volume gaming market to support entry into the GPU-compute market. That field is growing rapidly, but I don't know whether it's yet large enough to justify 'staning on its own' with regards GPU R&D.

 

[Marine-RX179]

This is what I hope for the next get:

Don't give a flying **** on what the 8970 or GTX780 ask for, as long as all cards below them are priced at under £280 and £220 on launch and still offer enough performance to make people with 58xx/68xx cards to truly go WOW, not like the current enthusiastic wow when looking at the 7970 and 680 which shortly followed by a disappointed/disaproved wow after looking at the price lol

 

[psychodil]

I think the days of sub £300 launch prices are gone
Especially if the gk110 and AMD 8000 series are big chips, I.e. 400mm^2 and above.

 

[Duff-Man]

This is what I hope for the next get:

Don't give a flying **** on what the 8970 or GTX780 ask for, as long as all cards below them are priced at under £280 and £220 on launch and still offer enough performance to make people with 58xx/68xx cards to truly go WOW, not like the current enthusiastic wow when looking at the 7970 and 680 which shortly followed by a disappointed/disaproved wow after looking at the price lol

The 'next gen', 8xxx and 7xx series will still be on 28nm, so performance gains will be relatively moderate compared to die-shrink generations. Performance improvements will rely on improved efficiency, and larger GPU dies. Since 28nm is still rather expensive (per mm^2) there is very limited room for increasing GPU size and retaining pricing.

What you're hoping for is unlikely to appear until the following gen, in 2014, when 20nm rolls out.

I think the days of sub £300 launch prices are gone

Unfortunately, I agree with this sentiment

 

[Mal X]

Yes i know, people wanted to know whats after the 7###.

Well it seems AMD are holding back on the 'Big Radeon'

I hope this time they wait for Nvidia to show there hand.

there's no point releasing a 7990 now, it's too late, most people are happy with what they've got, this year is done and dusted...... FOR SURE !

all i'm looking forward to now is Crysis 3.... far cry 3 and a new tv in the january sales

 

[Mal X]

The 'next gen', 8xxx and 7xx series will still be on 28nm, so performance gains will be relatively moderate compared to die-shrink generations. Performance improvements will rely on improved efficiency, and larger GPU dies. Since 28nm is still rather expensive (per mm^2) there is very limited room for increasing GPU size and retaining pricing.

What you're hoping for is unlikely to appear until the following gen, in 2014, when 20nm rolls out.





Unfortunately, I agree with this sentiment

deffo, you cant expect to buy a top end card for anything less than 500 quid from now on, and even 500 quid might be too low, expect the next generation to be about 600 quid.

a 7970 at 360 quid ?...... yea that's cheap !

 

[Gregster]

there's no point releasing a 7990 now, it's too late, most people are happy with what they've got, this year is done and dusted...... FOR SURE !

all i'm looking forward to now is Crysis 3.... far cry 3 and a new tv in the january sales

What about one of these?