Empire state shootings
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Looks like the gunman only shot one person, and the COPS shot the other 9.
http://gawker.com/5937745/the-empire-state-building-shooting-was-mostly-perpetrated-by-cops?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Two New York City cops shot ten people outside the Empire State Building this morning. One of them was Jeffrey Johnson, a laid-off accessories designer who allegedly killed his former boss with a handgun. Johnson apparently pointed (but didn't fire) his gun at police; the officers opened fire, killing Johnson and shooting or grazing nine other people. Again, Johnson shot only his intended victim. All of the bystanders were hit or grazed by police bullets.
http://gawker.com/5937745/the-empire-state-building-shooting-was-mostly-perpetrated-by-cops?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Two New York City cops shot ten people outside the Empire State Building this morning. One of them was Jeffrey Johnson, a laid-off accessories designer who allegedly killed his former boss with a handgun. Johnson apparently pointed (but didn't fire) his gun at police; the officers opened fire, killing Johnson and shooting or grazing nine other people. Again, Johnson shot only his intended victim. All of the bystanders were hit or grazed by police bullets.
Cops are way too trigger happy in the USA. Only the other day I saw a video on ******** where there was a mentally challenged guy with a knife and a group of cops shot him 40 -50 times. 2 officers apparently unloaded 14 shots on this single gunman. If they did injur other people then they should have their weapon removed until they are competent enough to use it IMO.
This is why the argument that if every citizen was armed the gunman would be dead before he could kill many people. If two 'trained' cops manage to injure 9 people taking down one gunman, just imagine the carnage if everyone was walking about with guns.
This is why the argument that if every citizen was armed the gunman would be dead before he could kill many people. If two 'trained' cops manage to injure 9 people taking down one gunman, just imagine the carnage if everyone was walking about with guns.
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It takes a lot of practice to be able to shoot well in those situations. You have to overcome the tunnel vision and consciously think about the background and everything, draw and line up the sights, and get the hit on the target, and then the followup hits too. Maybe while your moving for cover or doing something else, or lying down. 10s of thousands of rounds on the range. All while someone has just pointed a gun at you.
If they have a clear background I dont see whats wrong with shooting a knife wielder 50 times. A knife wielder can cover a huge distance very quickly and stab them right through the soft vests they wear. They dont wear stab vests like the UK. I saw the video and they shot him when he started lunging towards one of the cops.
If they have a clear background I dont see whats wrong with shooting a knife wielder 50 times. A knife wielder can cover a huge distance very quickly and stab them right through the soft vests they wear. They dont wear stab vests like the UK. I saw the video and they shot him when he started lunging towards one of the cops.
That's a completely flawed argument. While yes, the guns are inanimate objects and the people wielding them are the ones using them to kill, they're enabling someone to take more lives than if they didn't have one. Somebody with a gun can kill more people quickly with a gun.
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the way i see it, and its probably wrong but i don't care 
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- more people in US than UK so statistically all events should happen more often, good and bad
- more media attention is given to these events in the US so it appears a greater issue than other places.
is:- more people in US than UK so statistically all events should happen more often, good and bad
- more media attention is given to these events in the US so it appears a greater issue than other places.
The homicide rate in the US is nearly 4 times that of the UK per 100,000 inhabitants. Also 4 times that of Western Europe.
That's a pretty big difference.
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but what are the statistics for good things in the US over UK and Europe? its all well and good picking up the bad stuff, but im sure statistically lots of good things happen in the US more than other places.
you cant tarnish a whole country on a few individuals. but increase the number of individuals in one country and the few become many.
and the statistic quoted, is that for individual cases, or for total number of fatalities? because, greater population means more chance of more casualties per attack.
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That's interesting, seems a bit dim of the cops to go on a shootout! From what I read, once Johnson had killed the person he had a problem with, he put gun away in his bag.
I guess we can't just jump to the usual LOL USA GUN LAWS on this one, as in the UK Johnson would have just stabbed the person he had a problem with instead.
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No doubt America has been a lot in the news with these gun incidents. But I agree its down to a single whacko most of the time.
Look @ Norway with its really strict gun laws...what happened?
Switzerland - if Im not mistaken every house with an able-bodied male upto age 35 (?) has to have an assault rifle. Its secure and locked up no doubt but still...all those houses with a bigass weapon in them.
I have loads of American friends and family - all gun owners and very responsible ones at that. Strictly for hunting & home-defense (wish we had the latter here).
Look @ Norway with its really strict gun laws...what happened?
Switzerland - if Im not mistaken every house with an able-bodied male upto age 35 (?) has to have an assault rifle. Its secure and locked up no doubt but still...all those houses with a bigass weapon in them.
I have loads of American friends and family - all gun owners and very responsible ones at that. Strictly for hunting & home-defense (wish we had the latter here).
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ban cops with guns I say.
yup
unfortunately it won't do much to prevent a case like this when lots of the rest of the country is fairly lax about them
They will have shot at him, and missed. Bullets travel quite far.
Looking at that surveillance video it's hard to know how we could deal with this much better. Johnson, having shot someone in unknown circumstances earlier, turned around and pulled out a gun, and I think in that situation it's fair for an officer to presume he is going to shoot them, and fire first. Unfortunately, these cops aren't highly trained marksman.
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