Temp worker went permanent and made senior to boot

If I was in your position I would feel peed aswell, best thing you can do is sit down and have a chat with your manager.

Oh and probably best to ignore most of the snobs in this thread that would never ever get annoyed at these things due to their superior intellect, ground breaking work ethics and general brilliance.
 
Woden said:
You need to learn that sometimes people are just better than you. You might think you are better than him/her, but its not your opinion that matters, it's your managers.
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And you need to wake up and realize that there are plenty of people who hold jobs/positions for things other than purely their ability or skill at the job.

Of the many businesses I have worked for I have seen plenty of people get jobs because....

...they were related to or friends of the manager
...they were the same sex as the manager (female in the case I'm thinking of)
...the manager fancied them
...they had good time keeping (but were otherwise nothing special at the actual job)

Whilst people shouldn't excuse every bad they break they get as being 'unfair' the idea that jobs are handed out purely on ability to do the job with no or little influence from other factors is just naive.
 
FootballFanatic said:
thank you for that, did you read the original post or are you like most other people on the internet and just offer their opinion without reading the whole thing/knowing the facts.

I have already stated, my manager agrees that I should be senior but because the way the company is operated in this current climate, with cutbacks and redundancies, the board have to approve people being made to senior.

Now my point is, she has confirmed this to me, so why does an external worker get moved to senior when the people internally have to have a massive case of evidence to show the board.
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I did read it, the facts are this.

To become senior your manager must put you forward and the board must approve you.

So this means that there are two reasons for him succeeding where you failed.

A) your manager is a coward, they do not think you should be made senior but don't want to tell you this to your face. So they tell you that you should be senior but they have never actually nominated you to the board.

B) Your manager has nominated you but the board disagrees with your manger that you should be made senior.


If it's A then it's either you need to be better so your manger decides to nominate you or find another manager to nominate you.

If it's B then you need to be better to get the board to agree to approve you.

In either case he has succeeded in proving to the board and his manger that he is fit for the senior post, you have not.

Hence take a leaf out of his book and be less **** at your job.
 
OP ignore the confrontational posts, they are usually by bored people with nothing better to do.

Arrange the meeting and state your concerns. If they aren't able to offer you a schedule for promotion, justify the promotion of the temp or they give you undue criticism, I think it's definitely time to jump ship.
 
FootballFanatic said:
again im not whining, i was looking for advice on what i should do.
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Well as we're not your employer it's going to be hard for us to give you a performance review.

Have you tried asking your manager what you could do to improve your chances or even if you feel ballsy ask a board member (this has the advantage of letting you find out if your manger has ever nominated you too , but carries the risk of you coming across as a whiny git and being black balled so you must approach it from a self improvement point and not a "why did that guy get it not me" so do not mention anyone else or ask why they got promoted if you do this) how you could improve your usefulness to the company.
 
Nevakonaza said:
Its who you know,Not what you know...The workplace can be very unfair.
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Exactly this. It's known as exposure and it accounts for about 60% of your standing with the company. How well you actually do in your job is something ridiculously small like 10%. Time served is irrelevant. Unfair but true.

I can say this about my old employer. It was predominantly Christian, so the believers, especially those that attended the same church, leap-frogged the non believers like myself.
 
Monserrat said:
Exactly this. It's known as exposure and it accounts for about 60% of your standing with the company. How well you actually do in your job is something ridiculously small like 10%. Time served is irrelevant. Unfair but true.

I can say this about my old employer. It was predominantly Christian, so the believers, especially those that attended the same church, leap-frogged the non believers like myself.
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were you employed by the church by any chance..?
 
FootballFanatic said:
trust me, there are a lot worse in this place than me, and that goes for some of the current seniors.
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That doesn't mean much.

The guy was probably good and they offered him a senior job to stay. You already work there and have two options.
 
I went for a job I was made redunant from in the same company, I'd done the job, I was very good at the job and had reviews/bonuses to prove. However, I lost out on the job to someone under me, not because he was better which I wouldn't have minded, but because the manager was gay, fancied him and told him previously what to say.

it annoyed a lot of people, but it's a common trend here that it is who you know, not what you know that is important.

But then, I worked at a factory once on one of the lines, within 2 weeks I was in the warehouse and within 6 months I had jumped from loader, over supervisor, team leader and was running the place, and that was through hard work.

It really comes down to your company :(
 
Yes, I think I would be annoyed by this also. For me it would indicate that I'm not highly valued, and would probably be a kick-start to look around for alternative positions.
 
D.P. said:
Managers that a smart may try to keep their best workers at the same job because they do it so well. You might be very very good at your job and the manager doesn't want to move you. The temp guy might have only been so so good at his job, but showed plenty of aptitude and skills for the higher level position so made a logical promotion.
I have seen this several times in software. The best programmers and tech guys remained for ever as guru programmers and hard core sys admins. Those that were not smoking hot programmers but had noticeable alternative skills in personal and group, management, time planning, organisation skills, documentation, conflict resolution etc. were promoted to project managers.
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I have seen this many times, and have been party to it too.

I was excellent at my role, moving me upwards would mean they would lose that expertise, so they kept me there doing an awesome job. I didn't mind, being a manager is not something I want to do.
 
Tefal said:
I did read it, the facts are this.

To become senior your manager must put you forward and the board must approve you.

So this means that there are two reasons for him succeeding where you failed.

A) your manager is a coward, they do not think you should be made senior but don't want to tell you this to your face. So they tell you that you should be senior but they have never actually nominated you to the board.

B) Your manager has nominated you but the board disagrees with your manger that you should be made senior.


If it's A then it's either you need to be better so your manger decides to nominate you or find another manager to nominate you.

If it's B then you need to be better to get the board to agree to approve you.

In either case he has succeeded in proving to the board and his manger that he is fit for the senior post, you have not.

Hence take a leaf out of his book and be less **** at your job.
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or C its a board of directers in charge of a massive company and have not met? maybe i am a simpleton for believing this.

and for the others saying find out what i should do to become senior, how many times does it have to be repeated that I have been told by my manager i should be so what else can i do in this position.........

please read stuff before making a comment. geeeez.
 
FootballFanatic said:
Hi, I have just found out today that a temporary worker that has been with the company for say around 6 months has been made permanent and also made as senior customer service advisor.

The company i work for have been reducing staff across the board and not taking on any new workers. They also made it so that any propositions by managers to make people senior would have to go to the board. When I first started a manager would basically say to the department manager, this person should be senior and it would be done.

No i have been at the company just over 5 years, when i first joined there were people getting promoted to senior and wage rises quite regulary, i went part time 6 months into my job to go back to college and people who joined after me were made senior. I could put up with that as I was not full time but when I found this out today i was pretty angry.

My manager has been saying for about a year and a half now I should be senior but because it is so hard now with the cut backs, it has not materialised.

We have not been told this person has been made permanent, never mind telling us they would be coming in as senior.

Should I be aggrieved at this? Should I ask my manager for a meeting to explain why this has happened when they have continually said they would not be hiring staff paermanently? What would your next step be? or would you just let this go?

Cheers.
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I don't mean to sound nasty but you should consider the possibility that the temporary worker has done a better job than you.
 
for the people that keep saying this person who keeps getting referred to as a guy, again i will state i have seen this persons work. i have checked their work, i have also trained this person in a couple of the tasks they do. The analysts do the more complex training but we can do in house training on certain work.

Also, im not trying to prove anything but for everyone that says I must do a better job. We have a rating system from 1-5. 1 being the best, 5 being your getting sacked.

I received a 2 last year which stands for going over and above what is expected of me.

Queue the cynical/smart/sarcastic comments :rolleyes:
 
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